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How I feel quitting my own startup

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Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#11
Although it wasn’t as a founder, but I can relate, in one of a small startup I got hired as the first engineer, rest were a founder and sales guy and a part time HR girl, so as expected, I solely built the architecture, few fully fledged platforms, dozens of PoC, successfully delivered projects, then after 1.5y the second engineer got hired, now I’m guilty as probably you mentioned being emotionally attached to my work, after all, I really was invested in it, I even designed the icons for these platforms and the proper catchy names in addition to the software/hardware engineering design, to writing the docs and even pitching the work for technical clients since sales guy had no idea what the work was beyond the concept.

After a while, same thing started to happen, promises were made these platforms can deliver even though technically is impossible (so you can guess later when the client know these promises were BS), not getting invited to critical meetings, sales team (grew later than one guy) is gatekeeping the communication and only dripping to engineers the client requirements after they add their own unrealistic expectations, started to exclude me for training clients on how to use these platforms as only sales team are doing those (funny as most of the time, the first question they get asked and they are stuck, and ended up they calling me during the session remotely), and after long discussions that it isn’t possible to be carried by sales and need a technical team, they quickly hired a co-op to act as one during these sessions… among other issues, I call these situations are simply sabotaging the company/startup based primarily on greed, in this case it was by the sales and CEO followed later.

Now I had my lessons learned in that experience, but I’m sure your situation is worse being the founder, but I felt a good peace of mind after leaving them so hopefully you did the good thing.

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#13
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is probably no consolation for you, but now your former co founders have "their" own company that's four years old, still has no customers or an MVP, and apparently no one really working full time on the company... Seems like they get what they deserve...

Well, there's one product, one MVP, and a team of 8 full-timers... My biggest concern was the people, trying to find a situation that somewhat guarantees their short-term future and they can then go from there..

If the full time people don't identify a founder leaving as an existential threat and look for their way out that's on them.

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#14
I’m struggling with making this decision at the moment and it was interesting to read this.

I’m not a founder, but I’m the first hire and the first engineer – there since day 2. Six years in, a couple of pivots, and now we have a team of 100 people with a gigantic series A just closed and an excellent PMF. I built most of the product myself – it’s genuinely game-changing and commercial demand is through the roof. Enough equity that if we were acquired now I’d be set for life.

But I just don’t know if I can hack it anymore. The commercial and product teams are pushing wildly unrealistic timelines for new features, which then the technical teams end up the bad guys for not being able to deliver on. Internal communication is all over the place, with nobody seemingly aware of deadlines and deliverables. The CEO is pretty visibly complaining about some teams not working hard enough, because he doesn’t see them in the office or working evenings and weekends. Meanwhile I’m on 18 hour days, under pressure to squeeze performance out of a team that I already think is delivering good quality at a pretty rapid pace, and being badgered constantly to provide KPIs and metrics for them so that the C-suite can deicide if they’re pulling their weight.

It’s almost exactly the opposite of the culture I’d want to create in an engineering team. Instead of teamwork and transparency aimed at producing a cohesive vision, everyone’s pulling in a different direction. Everyone is overworked and making mistakes, and instead of trying to build systems and processes to avoid these issues, it’s become a blame game. The answer to any problem always seems to be “work harder”, rather than providing the resources and support that teams require. Features are being rolled out to customers against engineering advice before they’re finished, meaning a massive drag factor as we scramble to patch them – and engineering leadership desperately trying to protect the rest of the team from having to pay for these decisions. And there’s this message being communicated from the top that suggests technical teams aren’t working hard enough that just feels utterly toxic. I’m probably making it sound worse than it is, but for certain the last six months have stopped being “I’m excited about working on this”.

How do you make the decision that it’s time to call it a day? Is it practically possible to shift the culture? Or is it feasible to detach yourself a little bit from it – concentrate on the areas you can change, and stop caring about those you can’t? I’m a well-paid engineer in an interesting field, and I’m invested financially and emotionally. It’s hard to be objective about whether it's time to quit.

Basically I can sympathise with the emotions you’re going though and thanks for writing about it. Hang in there!

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#16

I’m struggling with making this decision at the moment and it was interesting to read this. I’m not a founder, but I’m the first hire and the first engineer – there since day 2. Six years in, a couple of pivots, and now we have a team of 100 people with a gigantic series A just closed and an excellent PMF. I built most of the product myself – it’s genuinely game-changing and commercial demand is through the roof. Eno…

the sense of frantic feature building is normal for a high growth startup. feeling constantly behind is also normal. a high growth startup is not a loving, nurturing, comfortable place. it's a mad dash for money and everyone is going to be pushing as hard as they humanly can, both in terms of work but also in terms of pushing others.

you're on the right track with the detaching yourself, but that can only get you so far. at the end of the day you still need to deliver things that sell. having people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about demand all sorts of wild shit from you is normal.

in the end, it's just difficult. you're being compensated with money and equity - if those aren't up to snuff, negotiate for more. if that doesn't work, you need to make the decision to stay or leave. there's a chance they give you what you want when you threaten to leave - and then you will have some leverage. but just realize this is not ever going to be a walk in the park. millions of dollars are on the line, people are not going to behave rationally because they see you as the limiting factor between them and their riches.

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#17

I’m struggling with making this decision at the moment and it was interesting to read this. I’m not a founder, but I’m the first hire and the first engineer – there since day 2. Six years in, a couple of pivots, and now we have a team of 100 people with a gigantic series A just closed and an excellent PMF. I built most of the product myself – it’s genuinely game-changing and commercial demand is through the roof. Eno…

Ask yourself if you're really that essential to things going forward? If not, then feel proud of what you've done and do what you need to do.

And I mean really ask yourself. As you say, teams are scaled now, individual effort has less of a multiplier. In most cases, they'll probably be fine without you. That should feel liberating.

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#18

I’m struggling with making this decision at the moment and it was interesting to read this. I’m not a founder, but I’m the first hire and the first engineer – there since day 2. Six years in, a couple of pivots, and now we have a team of 100 people with a gigantic series A just closed and an excellent PMF. I built most of the product myself – it’s genuinely game-changing and commercial demand is through the roof. Eno…

the sense of frantic feature building is normal for a high growth startup. feeling constantly behind is also normal. a high growth startup is not a loving, nurturing, comfortable place. it's a mad dash for money and everyone is going to be pushing as hard as they humanly can, both in terms of work but also in terms of pushing others. you're on the right track with the detaching yourself, but that can only get you so…

this is not the culture human beings should support or tolerate at their workplace

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#19
even thoug i dont know u. for me i relate in this way. i love to start things, motivate others, and dream big. however, at some point though it makes me sad, i feel like the idea is better off in other peoples hands. i struggle to focus and .... just want to start new things and motivate new ppl. i dont do startups for this reason but actually you writing this blogpost makes me feel maybe there is a place for me. to get the ball rolling and then leave it to people who are good at being consistent and seeing things through, but maybe less at starting and gathering motivation in the early stages. everyone has their own strengths and pitfalls. each end is a new beginning and i am sure after this tough breakup u will have learned a lot and find a new wonderful thing in ur life! =) all the best!

Re: How I feel quitting my own startup

#20
I went thru this seven years ago, leaving my startup which I'd been with for about 15. I still considered it a startup after all that time. The opportunity had long since been missed and all that remained was a long slow grind down to nothing. Which is exactly what has happened as it continued after my departure.

For me it was as close as I could imagine giving up a child would be like, but in hindsight it was the best choice and I grew hugely as a result.

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