Civil rights are a core educational experience that is sorely and fundamentally lacking in the US educational system.
Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]
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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]
#12His book is a good read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30532856-you-have-the-ri...
He actually updates his stance a touch from the content in the video. Particularly in not just invoking your 5th amendment (the right not self incriminate), but also the 6th (the right to a lawyer before being interrogated)
Also this is not a "if you have nothing to hide" kind of conversation, see another top item on HN today:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36367147 ( People Can Be Convinced They Committed a Crime That Never Happened (psychologicalscience.org) )
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Is there any country where it's advantageous to speak more than required to the police? (I'm sure there are some countries where you're required to speak more than in the USA where you're legally allowed not to speak at all without a lawyer)
In the UK, adverse inference may be drawn from silence in certain circumstances. In fact, they will usually say:
> You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Michael Flynn has entered the chat. If you can, get past his ideology and that he was a Trump guy, the actual process of what happened to him and what he was charged with is pretty crazy. He was very stupid for talking to agents without a lawyer. But, they went in and got him to lie about something that wasn’t a crime, and he didn’t actually do. Also on the front page of HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite…
As a member of President Trump's transition team, Flynn made a pair of direct diplomatic requests to Russia's ambassador to the United States (Russia complied with both requests). Later, during an FBI counterintelligence investigation centering on Russia, Flynn lied twice about having had those diplomatic conversations at all. The case was later dropped because the entire overarching investigation (Crossfire Hurrican…
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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]
#15Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty. (1) I wonder if this guy wants to make more work for himself and people in his profession, and (2) Black and White people might get very different results from this and other advice.
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Is there any country where it's advantageous to speak more than required to the police? (I'm sure there are some countries where you're required to speak more than in the USA where you're legally allowed not to speak at all without a lawyer)
Generally your refusing to answer can be used against you, ensuring that you are properly represented of course isn't
Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]
#17One of the best videos on the internet. A true classic with great advice.
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#18Also don't talk to federal agents. Lying to a federal agent is a felony, and often times they don't have enough evidence for the original crime, but by talking to you they get evidence of you lying
It's worse than that -- often their MO is to deliberately get people rattled so they say something false (that the FBI already knew was false), then charge them for that. It's stupid, but it's currently the [courts' interpretation of] the law. (The written law has a materiality requirement, but this has been interpreted so loosely as to be irrelevant.)
https://www.popehat.com/2017/12/04/everybody-lies-fbi-editio...
Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a member of President Trump's transition team, Flynn made a pair of direct diplomatic requests to Russia's ambassador to the United States (Russia complied with both requests). Later, during an FBI counterintelligence investigation centering on Russia, Flynn lied twice about having had those diplomatic conversations at all. The case was later dropped because the entire overarching investigation (Crossfire Hurrican…
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So... what is it?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a member of President Trump's transition team, Flynn made a pair of direct diplomatic requests to Russia's ambassador to the United States (Russia complied with both requests). Later, during an FBI counterintelligence investigation centering on Russia, Flynn lied twice about having had those diplomatic conversations at all. The case was later dropped because the entire overarching investigation (Crossfire Hurrican…
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I think this case is the prime example why lying to a federal agent ought to not be a crime at all. Why should I go to prison and have a felony if Michael Flynn doesn’t have to? If I have to go to prison, so does Michael Flynn.