There are relatively few things I've read that I can definitively point to as having almost instantly changed my mind on something. This is one of them. Reading often offers a broader understanding or different perspective, but seldom a sudden flash on insight. Others short reads that have changed my mind in that way include: - "The Inner Ring" by CS Lewis ( https://www.lewissociety.org/innerring/ ) - "On Photography…
I would add “Meditations on Moloch” from Slate Star Codex.
The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1970)
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#12A classic and well-deserved HN perennial. Past discussions: - 9 years ago, 120 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7409611 > - 5 years ago, 20 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17585104 > - 3 years ago, 19 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24728477 > - 7 years ago, 54 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651406 > - 9 years ago, 15 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item…
Jo Freeman's the Tyranny of Structurelessness (Recommended by Mark Andreesen) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31829486 - June 2022 (1 comment)
The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1970) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24728477 - Oct 2020 (19 comments)
The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1973) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17585104 - July 2018 (20 comments)
The Tyranny of Structurelessness - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15535834 - Oct 2017 (2 comments)
The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1972) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651406 - May 2016 (54 comments)
“Meritocracy” and the Tyranny of Structurelessness - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8495241 - Oct 2014 (1 comment)
The Tyranny of Structurelessness - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7762486 - May 2014 (15 comments)
RE: The “Tyranny of Structurelessness” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7555013 - April 2014 (7 comments)
The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1970) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7409611 - March 2014 (120 comments)
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#13This is for people who don't know why government exists and it's not purely oppression?
Also for those people who are in a flat/no-structure and looking for something that puts words to why things feel wrong.
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#14There are relatively few things I've read that I can definitively point to as having almost instantly changed my mind on something. This is one of them. Reading often offers a broader understanding or different perspective, but seldom a sudden flash on insight. Others short reads that have changed my mind in that way include: - "The Inner Ring" by CS Lewis ( https://www.lewissociety.org/innerring/ ) - "On Photography…
I would add “Meditations on Moloch” from Slate Star Codex.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-ma...
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#15There are relatively few things I've read that I can definitively point to as having almost instantly changed my mind on something. This is one of them. Reading often offers a broader understanding or different perspective, but seldom a sudden flash on insight. Others short reads that have changed my mind in that way include: - "The Inner Ring" by CS Lewis ( https://www.lewissociety.org/innerring/ ) - "On Photography…
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/a-muscu...
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#16This is for people who don't know why government exists and it's not purely oppression?
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#17> Occasionally, the developed informal structure of the group coincides with an available need that the group can fill in such a way as to give the appearance that an Unstructured group "works." That is, the group has fortuitously developed precisely the kind of structure best suited for engaging in a particular project.
> While working in this kind of group is a very heady experience, it is also rare and very hard to replicate. There are almost inevitably four conditions found in such a group;
1) It is task oriented. Its function is very narrow and very specific, like putting on a conference or putting out a newspaper. It is the task that basically structures the group. The task determines what needs to be done and when it needs to be done. It provides a guide by which people can judge their actions and make plans for future activity.
2) It is relatively small and homogeneous. Homogeneity is necessary to insure that participants have a "common language" for interaction. People from widely different backgrounds may provide richness to a consciousness-raising group where each can learn from the others' experience, but too great a diversity among members of a task-oriented group means only that they continually misunderstand each other. Such diverse people interpret words and actions differently. They have different expectations about each other's behavior and judge the results according to different criteria. If everyone knows everyone else well enough to understand the nuances, these can be accommodated. Usually, they only lead to confusion and endless hours spent straightening out conflicts no one ever thought would arise.
3) There is a high degree of communication. Information must be passed on to everyone, opinions checked, work divided up, and participation assured in the relevant decisions. This is only possible if the group is small and people practically live together for the most crucial phases of the task. Needless to say, the number of interactions necessary to involve everybody increases geometrically with the number of participants. This inevitably limits group participants to about five, or excludes some from some of the decisions. Successful groups can be as large as 10 or 15, but only when they are in fact composed of several smaller subgroups which perform specific parts of the task, and whose members overlap with each other so that knowledge of what the different subgroups are doing can be passed around easily.
4) There is a low degree of skill specialization. Not everyone has to be able to do everything, but everything must be able to be done by more than one person. Thus no one is indispensable. To a certain extent, people become interchangeable parts.
> While these conditions can occur serendipitously in small groups, this is not possible in large ones.
I wonder if the originators of Agile were familiar with this work? At any rate I think it explains that dichotomy between the early developer push for agile - “we found this awesome thing that works!” - contrasted with the later wide-spread industry adoption and general hatred. I.e, the small group only works based on specific, unlikely, circumstance, and the concepts do not scale.
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#18This fundamentally changed my view on flat organizations, realizing they were vulnerable to predators with such simple tactics.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would add “Meditations on Moloch” from Slate Star Codex.
That was really good. https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Meditations-On-Moloch
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#20There are relatively few things I've read that I can definitively point to as having almost instantly changed my mind on something. This is one of them. Reading often offers a broader understanding or different perspective, but seldom a sudden flash on insight. Others short reads that have changed my mind in that way include: - "The Inner Ring" by CS Lewis ( https://www.lewissociety.org/innerring/ ) - "On Photography…
The one that really changed how I think about the world was "A Muscular Empathy" by Ta-Nehisi Coates https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/a-muscu...
Specifically, it starts by assuming that in the face of challenges like being born in poverty, the average person would not overcome them through will or effort alone. As a result, it cultivates empathy for those who fail to transcend their circumstances. It then implies that the solution is changing the environment, not the individual.
But this is circular reasoning. It assumes that it's all the environment, and concludes with it being all the environment.