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Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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post #5

Who gives a shit if Google has your medical records?

"google" is made of many individuals. If "google" has your records, you don't know who has access to them - they effectively become "public knowledge" in a way.

You can imagine how your medical record could be used against you, I'm sure? For people that have suffered agressions, addiction, mental issues, these are all private but can be used against an individual in the public sphere.

Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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In Germany they decided to make the EPA (electronic medical record) opt-out starting by 2024. Managed by "gematik GmbH", a company with limited liability. Because why should the entity responsible for all medical records have some liability. It is a joke, a bad one. They don't even say how to opt-out.

> Managed by "gematik GmbH", a company with limited liability. Because why should the entity responsible for all medical records have some liability.

I think it doesn't really matter in what form the government appears. It's still the government and so its rules apply.

Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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I strongly oppose this kind of law. HIPAA is a massive burden on medical and research organizations of all sizes, I've personally spent hundreds of hours navigating both human and technical bureaucracy related to HIPAA and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Ultimately however the worst part of these laws is that they are so harmful to research in the long run. With easy and ready access to medical data we could be decades ahead of where we are today. There are legitimate concerns about health privacy (especially for women in the US) but the upside is just so much larger than the harms. It could be 10x less costly and time consuming to do both epidemiology and longitudinal intervention studies if we only had access to data. We could be directly tackling disease causal factors in ways that researchers today only dream of. It really is tens of thousands of lives lost each year that could have been saved if we could only have moved faster toward interventions.

I believe medical records should be open and laws should address how people use the data, not trying to make something so valuable to all humanity secret from the beginning. For example you can download my genetic code here: https://www.openhumans.org/member/iandanforth/

Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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post #9

We need a nuanced approach. Blanket bans, while sounding good, can slow down pace of innovation in an area that desperately needs more of it - esp as the world is aging. This needs to be a combination of informed consent, clear access auditing and usage, and laws to heavily penalize misuse of this data.

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Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These laws, while well-intentioned, kill people. So does medical fraud, and it's not well-intentioned at all. Just sayin'. I have almost no faith at all in the types of folks that found and run tech companies, these days. They have proven, over, and over, and over again, that They. Just. Can't. Be. Trusted. If the tech industry were to create an ethics board, with real enforcement teeth (like the Bar Associations,…

So do guns

That's why they are banned throughout the EU much more rigorously than in US

Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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I strongly oppose this kind of law. HIPAA is a massive burden on medical and research organizations of all sizes, I've personally spent hundreds of hours navigating both human and technical bureaucracy related to HIPAA and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Ultimately however the worst part of these laws is that they are so harmful to research in the long run. With easy and ready access to medical data we could…

What are your thought on privacy then? Shouldn't my records be my own business?

Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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I don't think most people appreciate that medical research moves, at minimum, 20x slower than it would with open data access. Doing the simplest possible regression across two institutional datasets is a $100,000 project involving lawyers, de-identification, consents, and a host of bureaucracy. Since most projects end in null results, most don't happen. These laws, while well-intentioned, kill people. If you think th…

> It doesn't have to be this way.

That goes both ways though. People are responding to hostage-taking actions by big tech and trying to protect themselves. There is a theoretical middle ground where data is available for research but not for abuse, but big tech typically won't allow that.

Re: Do no harm petition: Don't give big tech access to our medical records

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post #10
post #5

Who gives a shit if Google has your medical records?

Anyone with a desire for privacy who possesses critical reasoning.

Seriously, this question seems to indicate a critical lack of common sense in the poster. You don't even need to have a desire for privacy, just a modicum of risk aversion.

Here's a simple example of what can happen with your medical data: Medical data ends up somewhere like LexisNexis -> Company looks you up before hiring -> Company sees that you have a health condition that will cost them more in health insurance costs -> Company doesn't hire you because "it's not a culture fit".

Oh, you don't have a health condition right now? Well, pray you never develop one either -- your boss will probably be able to sign up for push notifications for when there's a new diagnosis for you.

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