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Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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gregjor wrote: post #10
deltaninenine wrote: post #7

>People’s susceptibility to anthropomorphizing an even slightly convincing computer program has been known since ELIZA, one of the first chatbots, in 1966. It’s called the ELIZA effect. I'm tired of these arguments. Very very few people are anthropomorphizing chatgpt.. very few. The majority of people both technical and non technical who have played with chatGPT in a non trivial way are aware of the chatbots limitati…

Wrong. Too many people do anthropomorphize LLMs. And few people actually understand how LLMs work, or how to detect errors and hallucinations. Calling LLM autocomplete "AI" deliberately conflates the tech with sci-fi tropes that many people already confuse with reality. Numerous examples, from ELIZA to Watson, internet-based scams and frauds, full self-driving, to all of crypto demonstrate human credulity and gullibi…

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Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by happysadpanda2 »

deltaninenine wrote: post #11
gregjor wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. Too many people do anthropomorphize LLMs. And few people actually understand how LLMs work, or how to detect errors and hallucinations. Calling LLM autocomplete "AI" deliberately conflates the tech with sci-fi tropes that many people already confuse with reality. Numerous examples, from ELIZA to Watson, internet-based scams and frauds, full self-driving, to all of crypto demonstrate human credulity and gullibi…

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While I believe much of what you argue is correct, I do unfortunately also believe that ultimately you are incorrect:

For the non-techy part of the population, and certainly eve a percentage of the techy part of the population, there will be those who don't have an hour out of their daily lives to play around and discover the limits of chatgpt etc.

Worse still, an even larger portion of that crowd, even if they have an hour to spare, just... won't. Playing around with an LLM just isn't something most people would find entertaining or enlightening enough to do out of their own volition.

What I find more likely to happen, is that the members of above crowd will instead slowly, over time, get the occasional dose of exposure of an interaction with an LLM, and as long as the response yielded isn't batshit crazy, these people will likely develop a growing sense of confidence in these LLMs.

At that point, it will likely be very difficult proving to them that the LLMs are far from perfect.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by deltaninenine »

happysadpanda2 wrote: post #13
deltaninenine wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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While I believe much of what you argue is correct, I do unfortunately also believe that ultimately you are incorrect: For the non-techy part of the population, and certainly eve a percentage of the techy part of the population, there will be those who don't have an hour out of their daily lives to play around and discover the limits of chatgpt etc. Worse still, an even larger portion of that crowd, even if they have…

That's just your opinion. I say we need to prove this out.

If a significant portion of the tech and non techy population anthropomorphized LLMs to the point where they don't understand that LLMs hallucinate then surely some of those people exist on HN.

If one of you readers is one such person who honestly has no idea what it means for chatGPT to "hallucinate" then let us know (and be honest, please don't troll).

My bet is no one will respond with affirmation because the amount of people who don't get it is miniscule.

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Post by ack_inc »

happysadpanda2 wrote: post #13
deltaninenine wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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While I believe much of what you argue is correct, I do unfortunately also believe that ultimately you are incorrect: For the non-techy part of the population, and certainly eve a percentage of the techy part of the population, there will be those who don't have an hour out of their daily lives to play around and discover the limits of chatgpt etc. Worse still, an even larger portion of that crowd, even if they have…

Couldn't "proving to them that the LLMs are far from perfect" be accomplished by showing a few examples of LLM hallucination? This does not seem very difficult.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by jshmrsn »

euroderf wrote: post #18

I do like this quote: "Don’t want to worry anyone, but I just asked ChatGPT to build me a better paperclip." Given the means, would it kill anyone who gets in the way of more paperclips?

This quote is referencing a famous hypothetical example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence?wprov...

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by senttoschool »

yashvg wrote: post #12

I agree that a lot of crypto grifter seem to be moving on to AI. But it seems like the author is doing the same thing. Since no one is interested in reading his criticism of cypto anymore, he is now moving on to AI. Legend.

I don't think he's moving to AI. It's a whole lot harder to mass scam people in AI than in crypto. BTC and ETH are still pretty high in price. He's still only covering crypto. But he's right that many scammers, grifters, opportunists have moved to AI.

Even the ones left in crypto are basically trying to associate their crypto projects with AI as much as possible.

If real estate was hot, crypto would try to associate with real estate. If room temperature superconductors are invented, they'd say crypto for superconductors. Basically, in order for useless crypto shitcoins to get attention, they attach themselves to anything that's hot.

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