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Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Not all applications need high availability across multiple clouds and the cost increases that go with that. Some applications can afford a couple hours of downtime if the underlying hosting platform as issues instead of needing to do a hot failover to completely different infrastructure.

The idea that "we'll just seamlessly failover to another provider" is a bit otpimistic IMO. With that comes additional complexity. Some applications need this, but it's a huge cost and complexity tradeoff for almost all businesses.

I'm a fan of sticking with one provider, but going with something bigger that has a good track record. AWS, GCP, Azure aren't prone to 0 outages, but I think for almost all companies, having redundant stacks in separate regions is enough to maintain high availability.

I don't know enough about Oracle Cloud to comment on them, but my general take is these companies all inevitably hit a "showstopper" global outage, realize they aren't investing enough in separation of regional stacks enough, and put a ton of energy into making their platforms more fault tolerant.

Thinking that Johnny dev shop is going to be able to do better than a major player is, IMO, wishful thinking.

I know that at GCP at least, they actually have monitoring setup for things like tweets, downdetector, etc. Ideally they catch every issue with their own monitoring, but they do their best to know if anyone is having an issue, whether they can detect it or not..

Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Wow, there must be literally tens of people who are worried right now! My shitty, snarky comment aside, I am genuinely curious about why someone would choose Oracle as a cloud provider. If you look at their capex spend, it's undeniable they have so vastly underinvested in their cloud compared to AWS, Azure and GCP, that even if you were an "Oracle shop" I'm genuinely curious what benefits their cloud would offer. Edi…

It is the only thing I can call a cloud provider in Saudi Arabia vs Alibaba Cloud. You see not all got all the choices. Why shouldn’t I use something abroad? Laws.

Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Wow, there must be literally tens of people who are worried right now! My shitty, snarky comment aside, I am genuinely curious about why someone would choose Oracle as a cloud provider. If you look at their capex spend, it's undeniable they have so vastly underinvested in their cloud compared to AWS, Azure and GCP, that even if you were an "Oracle shop" I'm genuinely curious what benefits their cloud would offer. Edi…

They have a good free tier: ARM Ampere instance with 24 GB memory.

Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Wow, there must be literally tens of people who are worried right now! My shitty, snarky comment aside, I am genuinely curious about why someone would choose Oracle as a cloud provider. If you look at their capex spend, it's undeniable they have so vastly underinvested in their cloud compared to AWS, Azure and GCP, that even if you were an "Oracle shop" I'm genuinely curious what benefits their cloud would offer. Edi…

Hosted Oracle database services. Otherwise, very favorable contract terms.

Thanks very much, was assuming they must be giving a sweetheart deal given that AWS and GCP have hosted Oracle DB solutions, and even Oracle itself touts running on Azure, https://www.oracle.com/cloud/azure/oracle-database-for-azure....

Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Wow, there must be literally tens of people who are worried right now! My shitty, snarky comment aside, I am genuinely curious about why someone would choose Oracle as a cloud provider. If you look at their capex spend, it's undeniable they have so vastly underinvested in their cloud compared to AWS, Azure and GCP, that even if you were an "Oracle shop" I'm genuinely curious what benefits their cloud would offer. Edi…

They have a good free tier: ARM Ampere instance with 24 GB memory.

I snagged one of those as soon as they were available. And, so far, I've only used it to host my portfolio, which is entirely static. :D

Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Wow, there must be literally tens of people who are worried right now! My shitty, snarky comment aside, I am genuinely curious about why someone would choose Oracle as a cloud provider. If you look at their capex spend, it's undeniable they have so vastly underinvested in their cloud compared to AWS, Azure and GCP, that even if you were an "Oracle shop" I'm genuinely curious what benefits their cloud would offer. Edi…

At my last company, the VP got the largest discount from Oracle, so Oracle cloud it was.

Engineer attrition rose. Services took longer to build and maintain. Company's stock went down. Layoffs ensued.

But the VP got promoted to SVP.

Re: Oracle Cloud is having a major outage

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Wow, there must be literally tens of people who are worried right now! My shitty, snarky comment aside, I am genuinely curious about why someone would choose Oracle as a cloud provider. If you look at their capex spend, it's undeniable they have so vastly underinvested in their cloud compared to AWS, Azure and GCP, that even if you were an "Oracle shop" I'm genuinely curious what benefits their cloud would offer. Edi…

I think that's a perspective of people who compare Oracle Cloud IaaS offering to AWS, and find it deficient.

But I don't think that's the actual Oracle Cloud play, for the most part. To the best of my awareness, their cloud is realistically focused on hosted applications and SaaS - HCM Cloud, PeopleSoft Cloud, etc.

As such, their customers are not so much folks and small companies whose client-managed VMs may go down. Their customers are more likely to be large corporations whose Enterprise Resource Planning applications are fully hosted and may be impacted - Financials Management, Human Capital Management, Customer Relationships Management, etc.

I think for the most part Oracle Cloud does not have the same sales pitch and does not compete, for all practical sense, to AWS/Azure/GCP IaaS.

I could be wrong! There might be tons of clients who are renting bare VMs for Oracle! But to your point, I don't know why :P

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