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Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by austinshea »

hirundo wrote: post #3

There's more to a job than the salary, and it can be reasonable for a company to leave salary ambiguous in order to make that sales pitch. Sometimes it's half the company; sometimes it's a set of steak knives. And it's reasonable for an applicant to decide that they're all about the salary and don't want to waste time on the sales pitch, and move on.

I can agree that there's more to a job than the salary, and it's totally cool to negotiate.

When you make the salary ambiguous in order to make your sales pitch, you are being unreasonable.

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by aaomidi »

paulddraper wrote: post #8

I want to be upfront. Here's the difficulty. (I say this as an employer.) Let's say I'm looking for engineer #2 or #3 for my YC startup and I'll pay 95k for junior or 185k for senior. Is posting 95-185k really that useful? What happens when I offer someone 130k but they were expecting 185k? And you can't just use years of experience alone to rank junior vs senior. tl;dr If engineers were more fungible, I could post a…

“Junior: pay$ Senior: pay$”

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by xboxnolifes »

paulddraper wrote: post #8

I want to be upfront. Here's the difficulty. (I say this as an employer.) Let's say I'm looking for engineer #2 or #3 for my YC startup and I'll pay 95k for junior or 185k for senior. Is posting 95-185k really that useful? What happens when I offer someone 130k but they were expecting 185k? And you can't just use years of experience alone to rank junior vs senior. tl;dr If engineers were more fungible, I could post a…

You say: "I'm looking for engineer #2 or #3 for my YC startup and I'll pay 95k for junior or 185k for senior."

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by eep_social »

paulddraper wrote: post #8

I want to be upfront. Here's the difficulty. (I say this as an employer.) Let's say I'm looking for engineer #2 or #3 for my YC startup and I'll pay 95k for junior or 185k for senior. Is posting 95-185k really that useful? What happens when I offer someone 130k but they were expecting 185k? And you can't just use years of experience alone to rank junior vs senior. tl;dr If engineers were more fungible, I could post a…

> Is posting 95-185k really that useful?

Yes. I immediately know that you are not looking for me (which is fine).

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by hirundo »

throw9away6 wrote: post #9
hirundo wrote: post #3

There's more to a job than the salary, and it can be reasonable for a company to leave salary ambiguous in order to make that sales pitch. Sometimes it's half the company; sometimes it's a set of steak knives. And it's reasonable for an applicant to decide that they're all about the salary and don't want to waste time on the sales pitch, and move on.

Are you the person on the dating site that refuses to post a photo as well?

Exactly. Some of us are ugly but still have a hope when face to face. That ambiguity gives us a chance at being a contender, to make the case that there's more to us. Is that unreasonable for an ugly person?

I think its not, and its also not unreasonable for someone else to think "no picture, they're probably ugly and I'm all about the looks, so I'll pass."

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by klipklop »

paulddraper wrote: post #8

I want to be upfront. Here's the difficulty. (I say this as an employer.) Let's say I'm looking for engineer #2 or #3 for my YC startup and I'll pay 95k for junior or 185k for senior. Is posting 95-185k really that useful? What happens when I offer someone 130k but they were expecting 185k? And you can't just use years of experience alone to rank junior vs senior. tl;dr If engineers were more fungible, I could post a…

If your singular job listing can somehow match both a junior and senior you are just fishing for a good deal, not actually looking for what you need. People looking for senior engineers are usually pretty direct about it.

Like others said, > 1 job listings for what you actually need.

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by 000ooo000 »

hirundo wrote: post #3

There's more to a job than the salary, and it can be reasonable for a company to leave salary ambiguous in order to make that sales pitch. Sometimes it's half the company; sometimes it's a set of steak knives. And it's reasonable for an applicant to decide that they're all about the salary and don't want to waste time on the sales pitch, and move on.

"There's more to a job than the salary" is just rhetoric from those trying to justify bad salaries, often by implying intangibles are suitable substitutes for money.

Imagine a candidate being so coy regarding their skillset. Hi, I'd like a job. Yes I know some programming, a good amount, don't worry about that.. but let's talk about my sense of humour. Would your business benefit from daily jokes? No? Ok what about my haircut, surely having this haircut in the office all day would be appealing? How about monthly I bring in some muffins my wife made?

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by jcpsimmons »

hirundo wrote: post #3

There's more to a job than the salary, and it can be reasonable for a company to leave salary ambiguous in order to make that sales pitch. Sometimes it's half the company; sometimes it's a set of steak knives. And it's reasonable for an applicant to decide that they're all about the salary and don't want to waste time on the sales pitch, and move on.

This is a real “drink the kool aid” take.

Re: No salary wastes everyone's time

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Post by jcpsimmons »

klipklop wrote: post #17
paulddraper wrote: post #8

I want to be upfront. Here's the difficulty. (I say this as an employer.) Let's say I'm looking for engineer #2 or #3 for my YC startup and I'll pay 95k for junior or 185k for senior. Is posting 95-185k really that useful? What happens when I offer someone 130k but they were expecting 185k? And you can't just use years of experience alone to rank junior vs senior. tl;dr If engineers were more fungible, I could post a…

If your singular job listing can somehow match both a junior and senior you are just fishing for a good deal, not actually looking for what you need. People looking for senior engineers are usually pretty direct about it. Like others said, > 1 job listings for what you actually need.

This.
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