For Indians I doubt that there is a major difference really in how they are treated as IT workers or as digital nomads.
"I work in the IT industry"
"That is such a normal thing!"
‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
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#12'Hated by locals' is a stretch. I don't think the number of digital nomads is enough to have any meaningful impact on rents or real estate prices in most countries. This is just xenophobia in another form.
Digital nomads are a major problem in several countries including most of South East Asia and Portugal, and major cities in these regions are having inflated prices due to digital nomads.
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#14This looks like non news to me.
People don't "hate" digital nomads (and the article itself does not even back up this claim from the headline). In fact, most people do not even notice them most of the time, as they don't make up for a significant percentage of the population anywhere.
There will be always small and very vocal groups, complaining about effectively irrelevant things like this. That is not newsworthy.
> But they add: “While the constant state of motion was exciting in the beginning, it eventually became tiresome – literally.”
Well, yeah? Constantly moving and traveling around the world tend to have this effect on people.
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#15'Hated by locals' is a stretch. I don't think the number of digital nomads is enough to have any meaningful impact on rents or real estate prices in most countries. This is just xenophobia in another form.
Digital nomads are a major problem in several countries including most of South East Asia and Portugal, and major cities in these regions are having inflated prices due to digital nomads.
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#16Are remote workers who don’t choose a digital nomad lifestyle somehow immune from being tired, lonely and hated by locals? As far as I can tell all of these issues are just as real for the average tech worker working in a big hub. The difference is being a digital nomad offers way more flexibility on how you live your life and the variety of culture you get to experience.
I think one of the key differences is how you socialise varies from country to country, but just that a lot of the internet is dominated by Americans and people assume that "they are unfriendly" or "they are friendly".
The truth is that most of these "friendly" countries are just engaging in a form of small talk and politeness, similar to going from London (unfriendly) to Ireland (friendly), and that you are not actually making what normal people would consider friends.
There are some who do genuinely travel a lot and make friends, but these people usually have global links from childhood or something else that forces them to travel overseas.
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#17'Hated by locals' is a stretch. I don't think the number of digital nomads is enough to have any meaningful impact on rents or real estate prices in most countries. This is just xenophobia in another form.
I heard resentment towards remote workers based on their perceived effect on rents when vacationing in Santa Teresa, Costa Rica recently.
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#18This looks like non news to me. People don't "hate" digital nomads (and the article itself does not even back up this claim from the headline). In fact, most people do not even notice them most of the time, as they don't make up for a significant percentage of the population anywhere. There will be always small and very vocal groups, complaining about effectively irrelevant things like this. That is not newsworthy. >…
I don’t hate them, but they tend to be pretty cringey.
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#19'Hated by locals' is a stretch. I don't think the number of digital nomads is enough to have any meaningful impact on rents or real estate prices in most countries. This is just xenophobia in another form.
A whole of locals, from Lissabon to Bali, actually might disagree. Not to talk about the defacto visa and tax fraud some digital nomads commit. Nothing wrong with going to live and work in a certain place. But do it the proper way: get a work visa if you have to and register for taxes like everyone else. Otherwise your taxes not paid are an unfair advantage compared to locals, it is illegal and basically cheating.
No, those people are mad about Airbnb and that's not the same thing. I have rented my vacation home for years and maybe once did I have a "digital nomad."
And I don't know about Bali, but I pay taxes through the nose on each rental for them and the property taxes and income taxes if I make a profit or not (not in the US). I'm happy to do it, I'm not complaining about paying them but don't tell me I don't.
Also these things happen because the locals' governments enabled it. Many countries even have a "digital nomad" visa, but if you allow visa-free entry and all people are doing is using the Internet, then again, that's internal immigration laws. There's no "cheating" at all.
It's not like a "digital nomad" in Lisbon got free health care, tuition, or transport and if their landlords aren't paying property tax or income tax, again, that's not really the fault of the tenants.
Locals are upset about housing policy and they probably should be. Neighbors are upset about all of their neighborhoods turning into transient AirBnB pitstops with tenants who are rude and loud and they should. But being mad at the people who just clicked online and showed up there is misdirected. It's either landlords who don't enforce rules or governments who don't limit the number of vacation rentals in historical areas.
You read these articles and act like everyone is going to look at you with side eye as you walk around. But I just spend a week in Lisbon and it was great and everyone was friendly.
Probably the AirBnB model needs to be banned in many places and only bona fide rentals of full places should be allowed, but it depends on the place.
If you're in an entire development in a tourist area, everyone's a tourist. Places like downtown Lisbon or Barcelona and other places people are upset should probably ban or limit the number allowed.
But anyway, no one is particularly mad at "digital nomads" this is a clickbait article.
t. knower
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#20'Hated by locals' is a stretch. I don't think the number of digital nomads is enough to have any meaningful impact on rents or real estate prices in most countries. This is just xenophobia in another form.
Just this week I was reading the average rent in Lisbon those days is more than the local salary.
Airbnb is also another culprit. Most major cities in Europe are suffering from the strong US dollar, Airbnb and digital nomads. Portugal and Spain are usually big draws for tourists and retirees from UK and Northern Europe, so there is some understanding but the situation is ridiculous.