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Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Still waiting for non handicapped (thinkpad x13s) ARM competitors. I would like to get performance + long battery + good screen + Linux but it seems to me that It will take so much time that I'm better off waiting for Asahi Linux to get mature and buy a second hand M1.

It's sad.

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It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

Yes, but in consumer hardware, their silicon outperforms the competition.

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Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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To quickly lower expectations before reading the article: > Every year with these Arm flagship chip announcements, the company also includes a wild design for a giant mega-chip that usually never gets built. That being said, this 14-core figure is when doing a full-Arm SoC (with Arm internal bus). SoC vendors are still allowed (AFAIK [0]) to do their custom interconnect that goes higher than that [0] there have been…

> there have been rumors seen here that Arm is pushing towards a model where SoC vendors must do all-Arm components

Smells like FUD spread by Qualcomm, who are currently in a legal battle with ARM.

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By what definition Apple is chip maker, let alone #1?

If AMD is a chip maker then so is Apple by the same metrics. So, pick those metrics, they're certainly pushing large volumes, they're pushing some of the highest performance and some of the most efficient CPUs available. So, they're #1 in power efficiency, #1 in fanless performance, #1 in Tablets, #1 in Fanless computers, #1 in Mini computers.

If you outsource chip creation, then you are chip designer, arent you?

>Fabless manufacturing is the design and sale of hardware devices and semiconductor chips while outsourcing their fabrication (or fab) to a specialized manufacturer called a semiconductor foundry. These foundries are typically, but not exclusively, located in the United States, China, and Taiwan

What about other categories

Gaming, Data Center?

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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I did not expect ARM would take so long to catch up with even the Apple M1 or the same core designs in the Apple A14. The Cortex X3 in the current flagship chip Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 still _just_ fails to match the Apple A14 (let alone the A15 and A16), perhaps this little design boost is finally enough to match it.

If Microsoft can get Qualcomm to implement some of the same chip tricks Apple pulled off for x86 emulation performance they can use it for a potentially somewhat compelling laptop package. It's a tough ask though, as Qualcomm seems mostly to just use pretty vanilla ARM designs. And I don't expect anyone but Microsoft to be interested in taking that plunge.

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I did not expect ARM would take so long to catch up with even the Apple M1 or the same core designs in the Apple A14. The Cortex X3 in the current flagship chip Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 still _just_ fails to match the Apple A14 (let alone the A15 and A16), perhaps this little design boost is finally enough to match it. If Microsoft can get Qualcomm to implement some of the same chip tricks Apple pulled off for x86 emulatio…

It’s a shame, Intel Surface Pro has underwhelming battery life. And ARM version really lacks in performance.

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It’s hilarious how Apple has become the number one chip maker in the world. Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger called them a lifestyle company…

It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

> outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

I don’t have the data, but tech companies are often full of Macs. Sometimes I also see small businesses running iMacs.

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It’s hilarious how Apple has become the number one chip maker in the world. Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger called them a lifestyle company…

It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

Hardly! In digital media, video, graphics, etc. you're usually much more likely to see Macs than other computers.

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It’s hilarious how Apple has become the number one chip maker in the world. Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger called them a lifestyle company…

It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

Sure, outside Intel’s market Intel is a no-show as well.

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It’s hilarious how Apple has become the number one chip maker in the world. Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger called them a lifestyle company…

It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

There are entire divisions of major companies that only run Mac M-series laptops.

It’s no longer the 2000s where group policy is difficult for Macs.

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