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EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

They’re doing this while forcing russia to sell their crude at close to zero profit. I’d say that’s a positive.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

> EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

Not really, EU is paying a market rate just like the rest of the world. It's just that a big part of the profit which would normally go to Russia now goes to middlemen.

The price cap was designed to reduce Russian profits without reducing Russian oil exports..

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

Situation when India and Saudi Arabia profit from that oil is much better than if Putin would get all the profits. Transportation over long distances and opacue pricing also eating into tax income and it does work. Kremlin changing oil export taxation rules every few months in attempt to recover some losses of course.

It will also slowly deteriorate Russian oil refining industry since everyone just want to buy their cheaper crude oil. It will take decade and won't stop the war now, but it gonna be a huge hit in a long run.

So while EU sanctions are weak they do work.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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This would be impressive if it were true. Unfortunately, the article contents do not match the headline. The article proceeds by quoting the EU:

>Through the Joint European action for more affordable, secure and sustainable energy (REPowerEU), the EU confirmed its objective to reach independence from Russian fossil fuels well before the end of the decade,

Confirmed does not mean achieved. The article further links to Tim McPhie's Twitter but provides a quote that is not on the linked Twitter:

>we are no longer dependent on them

Ctrl+F "dependent", nothing. What McPhie does say:

>joint resolve to terminate EU dependence on Russian fossil fuels by 2027.

Misleading clickbait is misleading.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.

Having Russia as a supplier does not save you from inflation. Worth remembering that the unprecedented price rise of natural gas started in 2021, months before the war started.

The price rise was caused by supply restriction from Russia in preparation for the war and likely intended as a blackmail all along.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #11
post #9

EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

They’re doing this while forcing russia to sell their crude at close to zero profit. I’d say that’s a positive.

It might be a positive, but the headline is completely misleading. Which is what this comment thread is about.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #11
post #9

EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

They’re doing this while forcing russia to sell their crude at close to zero profit. I’d say that’s a positive.

Do you have any data on their actual profit margins, or are you speculating?
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