Again it is very much an Inkjet problem. If only we could somehow get Colour Laser to sell below say $149.
HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
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Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#12Get an Epson EcoTank printer. Ink for those is available in *bottles* from Epson, it's dirt cheap. No more cartridges! Make sure to get one which has a user-replaceable "maintenance box", the cheaper ones have a fixed one. You can find that out by e.g. looking at the supplies list on the Epson website, see if the maintenance box is listed alongside the ink. The box contains the sponge where ink goes to during the cle…
I wish they didn't use glass, I imagine people will be rinsing them in the sink to recycle them
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Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#13i made the mistake of buying an hp piece of junk as my latest printer, as it looked like it was an update of an old model from samsung i liked.
it didn't even surpass the duration of the included toner. what an awful piece of hardware. super slow wifi scans, continued nagging about low toner, hard to acquire compatibles due to the "security chip".
switched to a brother, seems way better but time will tell. in any case I think this is my last all-in-one, probably a scanner and a small laser printer are better bets in the long term. space and automatic document feeder are important tho
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
both hp and epson offset the expendable costs on those. even if you avoid the fixed box trap, you cannot avoid the "replace printer head nozzle" trap that the driver will use to lock you out of your printer in a year or so.
I have printed over 5000 pages with mine, the head is fine (head test printout looks good), I don't know what you're referring to? To me it rather looks like consumers have been so thoroughly conditioned to distrust printers that they aren't even capable of trusting the good ones anymore maybe - and thus unfortunately keep buying the garbage ones, thinking it doesn't make a difference. I.e. whenever one of the actual…
Inkjet as a technology doesn’t stand up well to intermittent use due to ink drying out. I think a lot of consumers buy a printer and use it rarely (idle for weeks at a time). In my experience using an inkjet this way leads to dry ink clogging the head. People don’t easily forget technology letting them down when they needed it.
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#15I found a surprisingly simple workaround... Put a resistor, about 1kohm, in the power line to the security chip on the cartridge. Now, whenever the printer tries to read data from the chip, it works. Whenever it tries to record data to the chip (for example, marking the cartridge as empty), that uses more power, and the memory chip doesn't respond. Amazingly, the whole setup just works and prints forever, saying the…
I found a simple workaround too — not buying HP printers. Nor other HP products.
The method, which is guaranted to work always! And you might even see the ink level.
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#16I found a surprisingly simple workaround... Put a resistor, about 1kohm, in the power line to the security chip on the cartridge. Now, whenever the printer tries to read data from the chip, it works. Whenever it tries to record data to the chip (for example, marking the cartridge as empty), that uses more power, and the memory chip doesn't respond. Amazingly, the whole setup just works and prints forever, saying the…
I found a simple workaround too — not buying HP printers. Nor other HP products.
That’s the “correct” direct action of course. However, other printer brands are ever hard at work to copy HP’s advances. So when buying a printer, make sure to research in depth.
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#17i made the mistake of buying an hp piece of junk as my latest printer, as it looked like it was an update of an old model from samsung i liked. it didn't even surpass the duration of the included toner. what an awful piece of hardware. super slow wifi scans, continued nagging about low toner, hard to acquire compatibles due to the "security chip". switched to a brother, seems way better but time will tell. in any cas…
+1 The HP laserjet that I bought 5 years ago turned out to be a piece of junk. The software was also awful, it would often randomly crash, reboot itself and make lots of noise. Using a Canon Maxify inkjet now, much better machine and much cheaper to run.
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have printed over 5000 pages with mine, the head is fine (head test printout looks good), I don't know what you're referring to? To me it rather looks like consumers have been so thoroughly conditioned to distrust printers that they aren't even capable of trusting the good ones anymore maybe - and thus unfortunately keep buying the garbage ones, thinking it doesn't make a difference. I.e. whenever one of the actual…
Inkjet as a technology doesn’t stand up well to intermittent use due to ink drying out. I think a lot of consumers buy a printer and use it rarely (idle for weeks at a time). In my experience using an inkjet this way leads to dry ink clogging the head. People don’t easily forget technology letting them down when they needed it.
Does this still happen with current printers or is it one of those ancient memes about printers which don't disappear?
When I turn the Epson one off, it audibly parks the head. I would suppose it is parked onto a gasket which would prevent it from drying out.
Personally, I don't buy laser printers because I cannot imagine that toner dust isn't unhealthy, and I would be scared of it leaking into the air I breathe.
Feel free to prove me wrong with studies, I would appreciate being less scared about it for my next printer in case the Epson does die some day.
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#19I found a surprisingly simple workaround... Put a resistor, about 1kohm, in the power line to the security chip on the cartridge. Now, whenever the printer tries to read data from the chip, it works. Whenever it tries to record data to the chip (for example, marking the cartridge as empty), that uses more power, and the memory chip doesn't respond. Amazingly, the whole setup just works and prints forever, saying the…
I found a simple workaround too — not buying HP printers. Nor other HP products.
I own several HP LaserJet, including the 4M+ "upgraded" with more memory / fonts / an ethernet adapter etc. Amazing machines for the time.
So I'm an "old HP printers" fan. And yet I'd never ever buy anything from HP.
FWIW I'm very happy with Brother. We've got several Brother laser printers and "laser printer + scanner" and we're very happy with these. Zero problem.
HP fell really low.
Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands
#20I found a surprisingly simple workaround... Put a resistor, about 1kohm, in the power line to the security chip on the cartridge. Now, whenever the printer tries to read data from the chip, it works. Whenever it tries to record data to the chip (for example, marking the cartridge as empty), that uses more power, and the memory chip doesn't respond. Amazingly, the whole setup just works and prints forever, saying the…
That’s brilliant!