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A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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Article is a bit breathless. > and can be viewed using a microscope capable of 1000x magnification—a technology that has been available for hundreds of years. I don't think so; maybe 100 years. To achieve 1,000x magnification with an optical microscope, you need oil (or some other fluid with a refractive index similar to that of the lens) between the objective lens and the subject. I believe the maximum theoretical m…

Are you sure? I ask because the Dutch were wild by the end of the seventeenth century, people like Antoni van Leeuwenhoek achieved 500x magnification with a single lens microscope as an example. If you wonder why I know this, it’s because this was when the first bacteria are believed to have been observed. Leading off to the next part that I’m not so sure of, but the single lens microscope was/is terrible to use, and this lead to the first compound microscopes being build shortly there after. I believe the practical limit of those is 2,500x magnification though I’m not sure when that was made possible, but many of the ones we have in education today range from 400-1000x magnification (mostly down to cost and care of the institution).

Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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Article is a bit breathless. > and can be viewed using a microscope capable of 1000x magnification—a technology that has been available for hundreds of years. I don't think so; maybe 100 years. To achieve 1,000x magnification with an optical microscope, you need oil (or some other fluid with a refractive index similar to that of the lens) between the objective lens and the subject. I believe the maximum theoretical m…

Interesting. Modern optical microscopes, even cheap ones, do 1000x, though I seem to remember, from playing with a cheapish one, that it was very hard to get a worthwhile image at 1000x. Amazon.co.uk has a microscope for £54.59 that does "1600X" ... "for Kids"! The one I played with wasn't that cheap!

According to random online articles, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek (1632-1723) achieved 275x and a few of his instruments have survived until today, in museums, I presume.

Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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The chances that none of the made-made objects that touched the moon carried a few tardigrades is very small anyway.

The idea we can move so far away with such complicated processes without any contamination is just a dream, no matter the precautions we take. We can just limit it to the minimum, which is already quite amazing.

So the israeli ones are just the one we know about.

Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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post #11

Article is a bit breathless. > and can be viewed using a microscope capable of 1000x magnification—a technology that has been available for hundreds of years. I don't think so; maybe 100 years. To achieve 1,000x magnification with an optical microscope, you need oil (or some other fluid with a refractive index similar to that of the lens) between the objective lens and the subject. I believe the maximum theoretical m…

Are you sure? I ask because the Dutch were wild by the end of the seventeenth century, people like Antoni van Leeuwenhoek achieved 500x magnification with a single lens microscope as an example. If you wonder why I know this, it’s because this was when the first bacteria are believed to have been observed. Leading off to the next part that I’m not so sure of, but the single lens microscope was/is terrible to use, and…

I've looked at a couple sources and they all say 250x:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9186497/

https://www.nsf.gov/news/speeches/colwell/rc01_anatlesson/ts...

Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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The chances that none of the made-made objects that touched the moon carried a few tardigrades is very small anyway. The idea we can move so far away with such complicated processes without any contamination is just a dream, no matter the precautions we take. We can just limit it to the minimum, which is already quite amazing. So the israeli ones are just the one we know about.

> So the israeli ones are just the one we know about.

Yes, but much easier to condemn in the General Assembly.

Re: A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)

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"tardigraves find a way." wikipedia: They have been found in diverse regions of Earth's biosphere – mountaintops, the deep sea, tropical rainforests, and the Antarctic. Tardigrades are among the most resilient animals known, with individual species able to survive extreme conditions – such as exposure to extreme temperatures, extreme pressures (both high and low), air deprivation, radiation, dehydration, and starvati…

So on some future space mining trip to the moon, these will some how get picked up, then after their long sleep, and some mutations from cosmic rays, will start taking out the crew one by one?
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