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Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by bootloop »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #8
AlexandrB wrote: post #2

I recently got some Matter-capable IoT lightbulbs to try, and I am not impressed. They seem to have all the same problems I've experienced with previous IoT products (connectivity issues, state de-sync between device and "edge router", firmware updates take ~10 minutes per device). Then there are problems specific to Apple's IoT stack - like how it's impossible to set an RGB capable light to a ~specific~ white color…

>Then there are problems specific to Apple's IoT stack - like how it's impossible to set an RGB capable light to a ~specific~ white color temperature. Instead you get a shade picker and you have to guess what the color temperature is. I can guarantee that light is sent a hex value and what you are describing is a UI choice to dumb it down for most users.

The Matter spec requires you to support multiple color-spaces. It is indeed a dumped down UI by whatever vendor (Google, Apple etc.) is used to control them.

Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by Andrex »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #9
Paul_S wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: Maybe I shouldn't be doxing myself. I don't know what matter wants to be either.

It wants to be a giant stack. I get real Bluetooth SIG vibes from the development group.

It's based on Thread which is solid tech.

Bluetooth is a scourge and I wish I could Thanos-snap the entire technology out of existence, something better would have assuredly come along.

Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by alanwreath »

bootloop wrote: post #12
alanwreath wrote: post #7

thread 1.3.0 is the one I'm waiting for.

What do you expect from that?

Convergence of thread networks. Currently, you may have totally different thread networks and it causes confusion aside from just pure vendor lock-in

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/19/23269460/thread-1-3-0-mat...

Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by alanwreath »

alanwreath wrote: post #15
bootloop wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you expect from that?

Convergence of thread networks. Currently, you may have totally different thread networks and it causes confusion aside from just pure vendor lock-in https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/19/23269460/thread-1-3-0-mat...

Btw - I mean, it is already out, I just want more players to adopt it (like the ones who proposed it as part of their consortium … hint hint Apple). It enables Matter.

Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by kats »

ktm5j wrote: post #4

Honestly I don't know what Matter is and I feel like this page could do a better job of explaining that

It's an IoT standard / ecosystem developed by Google. So that you could control e.g. smart home devices through Google apps, similar to Apple HomeKit or Home Assistant. One annoying thing about Matter is that it's built on top of a networking protocol called Thread, which has no relationship to threads. Thread runs on top of Zigbee, Bluetooth Low Energy, or WiFi. It's pretty much a standard for a REST API with certain key/values for specfic application profiles. e.g. all IoT lights could use the same REST API so they are easier to integrate. Compared to many other IoT or embedded systems, Matter seems like it provides more and better resources to get started, however I haven't used it before. e.g. it provides open source tests for the application profiles. Google wants to push it as the 1 protocol that rules them all, but apps like Home Assistant might be more popular atm. Haven't used Matter but it seems like a good effort to get a whole bunch of small embedded devices doing things in the same way.

Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by dagmx »

Andrex wrote: post #14
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wants to be a giant stack. I get real Bluetooth SIG vibes from the development group.

It's based on Thread which is solid tech. Bluetooth is a scourge and I wish I could Thanos-snap the entire technology out of existence, something better would have assuredly come along.

Matter isn’t based on thread. They’re often used together but they’re distinct parts of the stack.

Matter can be used over wifi for example without any thread at all.

Re: Matter 1.1 release – Enhancements for developers and devices

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Post by js2 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #2

I recently got some Matter-capable IoT lightbulbs to try, and I am not impressed. They seem to have all the same problems I've experienced with previous IoT products (connectivity issues, state de-sync between device and "edge router", firmware updates take ~10 minutes per device). Then there are problems specific to Apple's IoT stack - like how it's impossible to set an RGB capable light to a ~specific~ white color…

> Then there are problems specific to Apple's IoT stack - like how it's impossible to set an RGB capable light to a ~specific~ white color temperature. Instead you get a shade picker and you have to guess what the color temperature is.

That's a problem with the atrociously, comically, terribly badly designed Home app, not with HomeKit itself. If it weren't for the "Controller for HomeKit" app, I would have given up on HK long ago. Controller lets you pick/assign a color temp directly.

I've been very happy with the combination of HK, Controller app, and Homebridge for integrating non-HK devices. Controller is worth it just for its ability to back up and restore your HK configuration and makes replacing devices a tolerable experience. It has tons of other features besides.

https://controllerforhomekit.com/

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