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Where have all the hackers gone?

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Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

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Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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> Where have all the hackers gone? To a newspeak school to unlearn precise terminology. So to translate OP, "soil, surface, and atmosphere" apparently refer to semantics , syntax , and runtime . ("Pedantic" is a favored word these days. In my days, objections to those who actually knew something about CS was that they are "academic", and "theoretical".)

I don't know. Syntax and Semantic are pretty much both Surface in this metaphor. The "Soil" seems more like the Environment/OS, while the "Atmosphere" is also the OS? Maybe I'm just throwing wrenches

But yea, maybe we can't have a PL conversation without also having a conversation about our own language? Ugh

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

I don't think I'd personally be offended by those bits. People have different focuses! Sometimes conversations aren't fruitful! I'm ok with that.

But I do think there's a lack of empathy displayed in his strong value judgments. His "here are the different things people think about" breakdown is interesting. But there's a flavor of "and these specific people are bad and wrong" here that I don't like. I think he should have kept going to "and here's why they focus on those things" with the same amount of appreciation.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Of those I have been in contact with lately most have gone away from public spaces in general because we are sick of being distracted from hacking by screaming holy warriors, bad-faith assholes shitting on everyone to make themselves feel better, and the gradually worsening infiltration of commercially-sponsored misinformation.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

I'm maybe not as offended as you because I think his friend is more mature and should be proud they avoided being baited.

The GC being preemptive might be part of a group choice at selection time, whether the language is painful to read and/or write is a permanent factor in your quality of life at work until you eventually move to another project.

Of course whether they are not emphatic enough is more a matter of whether the author sees it as a criticism of their friend.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

I think a lot of people have these kind of discussions behind people’s backs. I’ve certainly done it.

Who hasn’t occasionally mentioned to one friend how another friend annoyed you?

On the other hand, it’s not something you do in public. I’d be just a tad upset this person didn’t tell me how they felt and instead told everyone but me.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #14

Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

I don't think I'd personally be offended by those bits. People have different focuses! Sometimes conversations aren't fruitful! I'm ok with that. But I do think there's a lack of empathy displayed in his strong value judgments. His "here are the different things people think about" breakdown is interesting. But there's a flavor of "and these specific people are bad and wrong" here that I don't like. I think he should…

Well said. The only issue I have is the lack of empathy.

Friends don’t have to agree on everything. Calling your friend a jerk because their interests don’t align with yours is… odd?

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