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How to spot cult leader personalities

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Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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There's lots and lots written about cults and cult leaders, which is worth reading, such as Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, or if you prefer a more traditional take, "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism" by Robert Jay Lifton. Or any of other dozens of good authoritative takes on the subject by people who have spent their careers formally studying such phenomena, which can draw lines between a…

Thank you for the book recommendations!

If you wouldn’t mind sharing what you found most interesting while reading the books you mentioned.

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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post #9

There's lots and lots written about cults and cult leaders, which is worth reading, such as Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, or if you prefer a more traditional take, "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism" by Robert Jay Lifton. Or any of other dozens of good authoritative takes on the subject by people who have spent their careers formally studying such phenomena, which can draw lines between a…

The author is on point, and he didn't say 'cult leaders' are good, he said that people with that personality type can be, which of course they can.

I think that most of our 'great leaders' (good one's) that we look up to, flirt with this mindset for periods of time in their lives.

Not all cult leaders maintain their disposition after being arrested.

The author was fairly concise actually in identifying core attributes, and especially with the meta cognition bit.

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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No, we judge people by actions, not by random categorizations or 'fits type' or 'Polarizing Charisma'. Here's how to Spot Cult Leader proper: They manipulate people and exploit them by taking their money. Otherwise it's not a cult leader.

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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My impression is this is a common phenomenon in the software engineering community, probably mainly because a significant fraction of the community are young and/or inexperienced (e.g. number of programmers double every 5 years, which means 50% of programmers have less than 5 years experience).

There are plenty of examples from streamers to serious programmers but the most common is probably the benevolent dictator for life personalities for numerous software projects.

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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The author sounds like he has some jealousy issues to get sorted. I found the last section shocking. Wanting to joust, jealous of this personality type? That’s.. really strange.

I didn’t read it that way at all, and felt that section ring particularly true. “Joust” really just seems like another word for willing to engage in well-intentioned debate. The realization the author likely made was that the so-called “cult leaders” were not at all engaging in good faith, despite them and their followers insisting otherwise. Some really great examples of this would be Jordan Peterson or Eric Weinstein. The moment you think you can engage with these sorts in good faith is the moment you’ve fallen into their trap.

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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The author sounds like he has some jealousy issues to get sorted. I found the last section shocking. Wanting to joust, jealous of this personality type? That’s.. really strange.

I came away from the article thinking, "Where is he finding all these cult leaders?"

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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I’ve always been fascinated by personality, and spent a decent amount of time in and out of school studying it.

One thing that gets me about the way this author talks is it’s condescending. As though he’s an enlightened observer staring down over his spectacles at this type of person. (Like the final quote about cult leaders being mundane or boring…) Sorry to say, but that person you’re talking down on is probably way more clever and motivated than you are. He’s putting you in the bucket not the other way around!

But the thing that fascinates me is how personalities evolved in general. Like why do people have these set ways of being?

The apparent answer is that personalities evolved as a symbiotic trait. If I have a few people in my village: one’s an asshole to defend from enemies, one’s passionate and emotional to rear children, one’s a narcissist who wants to unite and lead us (under him), one’s a thinker who will improve our hunting and killing tools, and a few people just don’t think that much and view life as hard and are willing to “just go along with things”…

Before you know it we have a mini society. A village of people who work together automatically bc it’s just who they are and it works for (most of) them

So the question is: are cult leaders actually something that thousands of years ago was a benefit? Has society changed so that now they just don’t fit like they otherwise would in a healthy village? Or do parasitic personalities also evolve that have always been a detriment to the rest of us?

Re: How to spot cult leader personalities

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post #9

There's lots and lots written about cults and cult leaders, which is worth reading, such as Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, or if you prefer a more traditional take, "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism" by Robert Jay Lifton. Or any of other dozens of good authoritative takes on the subject by people who have spent their careers formally studying such phenomena, which can draw lines between a…

Cult leader behavior: belief that no field of study matters until one's own attention is turned to it :)
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