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Re: The Sourdough Framework

#12
We absolutely love this book. Thank you for your work on this! My wife has been a user of open-source projects for a long time, but this book was the first time that she made me sit down and teach her about pull requests, because she wanted to contribute back to this one.

We love the idea of managing and distributing a book through source control like this. Brilliant execution, and fantastic content!

Re: The Sourdough Framework

#13
post #8

Docker to build a book is definitely something new. Not that it doesn't make some sense just something I've never seen.

I was wondering about that. It's using texlive-full, which requires several gigabytes to install and is, for me at least, always the longest step when setting up a new (Linux) computer. It can also make sure to have reproducible builds, which I don't think there is a Latex-native solution for. Or is there a better approach?

I don’t think there is. I’ve compiled books in LaTeX and in Pandoc, nothing but regret filled my veins afterwards. Installing those dependencies is just a terrible experience.

Leave it in Docker to save people the hassle.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

#14
The concept is appealing but the name seems reductory. Sourdough, despite its fame, is but one type of bread. Seing that you had another book called the bread code I went to check that out but it's marked deprecated by this one.

So is this a case of an ill-fitting name that does not do justice to the content, or is the content just limited to sourdough as the end-all of bread making?

I'm personally not found of the sourness of sourdough bread compared to a Ciabatta or a French baguette

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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post #14

The concept is appealing but the name seems reductory. Sourdough, despite its fame, is but one type of bread. Seing that you had another book called the bread code I went to check that out but it's marked deprecated by this one. So is this a case of an ill-fitting name that does not do justice to the content, or is the content just limited to sourdough as the end-all of bread making? I'm personally not found of the s…

They are all good depending on your mood and food pairing.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

#16
As an occasional amateur baker with a five year old starter in the fridge and lots of hard learned lessons (aka. tasty failures), this looks like a well researched but probably slightly intimidating book on the subject.

I started out like many by watching some Youtube movies. Except I did it a few years before Covid. So, slightly before it got really hip to do it.

Some things that I've learned over the years (with the help of lots of Youtube wisdom):

- There are a lot of Youtube bakers parroting each other and not all of what they insist is the one and only way to do it is necessarily very valuable or good advice. The key thing to realize is that you are implementing a process, not following a recipe that is set in stone. It's not that they are wrong but they tend to present a detailed recipe without a lot of context. If you don't understand the process, that's not going to end well. Unless you get lucky. Look for the ones that explain why they are doing certain things. The ones that explain the process.

- The fridge is your best friend. You can park your starter there for long periods of time. It will be fine and you can revive it in a couple of days when you need to. This also largely removes the need to discard left over starter. A well established starter can take a lot of abuse. Move it to the freezer if you really plan to not bake for a few months/years. Countless youtubers tell you to keep it outside the fridge and feed it daily. You don't need to do this unless you want to. The fridge works like a pause button on metabolism. My starter has survived a lot of abuse over the past five years. And it still works fine.

- Flour matters. But most flours can work. Whole wheat and rye are tasty but also more tricky to deal with. For beginners, use some proper bread flour with a high protein content. Hold off on the more complex mixes until you can nail that the simpler white bread.

- Measure by weight not by volume. If you know what you are doing you can totally eyeball it and go by feel. I baked sourdoughs for over a year before even buying scales. Lots of failures but also lots of tasty bread. But being exact is what makes your process repeatable and allows you to fine tune, optimize it and get luck out of the equation. E.g. dialing back the hydration requires that you kow what it was to begin with. Be aware that you still need to adjust for temperature, flour, humidity, etc. There are a lot of variables that you can't control. Measuring by volume your margin of error is too high to say anything definitive about hydration levels. It might be 80% it might be 65%. The difference is important if you want to fix your mistakes.

- Larger quantities make it easier to measure more accurately. Bake 2 breads instead of 1. Again this matters to make the process repeatable.

- All the numbers are arbitrary, up to you, need adjusting for environment and flour, and largely a matter of taste. Understanding what happens when you change the numbers is the key to producing good results consistently.

- Use the clock for planning. But always verify your dough is actually in the state where you assume it to be. This is subject to so many variables (temperature, dough, humidity, how fresh your starter was, etc.) that it can be hard to predict. So, use the clock to plan when to check. Check more often if it is warmer. Things go quicker. Keeping track of weights and timings makes it easier to figure out the correct timings.

- Use a Dutch Oven. It helps. The lid traps the steam and that allows the bread to expand before a crust forms. Bake with the lid on at the max temperature of your oven. Basically until it is done expanding. 15-20 minutes typically. Remove the lid, and lower the temperature until the bread is done (I like my bread dark & crusty). Size of your loaf matters obviously. Adjust timings to your taste. another 20-25 minutes would be normal. You can play with the temperatures and timings of course. And what actually works will depend on your oven of course.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

#18
From the intro:

> It is crazy if you think about it. People have been using this process despite not knowing what was actually going on for thousands of years!

Just wait until you hear about literally everything ever

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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post #3

I thought this was going to be yet another javascript frontend framework with yet another less than descriptive name, but lo and behold this is actually about sourdough. Neat! EDIT: Appears the author has one for Pizza Dough[0]. Gotta try that one out as it's more applicable to me than sourdough. [0] https://github.com/hendricius/pizza-dough

The present work is a merger of that effort he claims.

The current repo combines most of my experience from the past years into one single framework that you can use as basis for other recipes.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

#20

We absolutely love this book. Thank you for your work on this! My wife has been a user of open-source projects for a long time, but this book was the first time that she made me sit down and teach her about pull requests, because she wanted to contribute back to this one. We love the idea of managing and distributing a book through source control like this. Brilliant execution, and fantastic content!

Thank you very much! Also thanks a lot for opening up so many pull requests with amazing fixes!
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