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How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
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Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#12Unfair to single them out. Submarines sink regularly, often due to human error. Grounding, collisions, even arson. Periscope hatches left open, oxygen ports closed. Ever drive off and leave your trunk lid open? Forget a kid at the mall? Not call your Mom on Mothers' Day? Then you understand how easy it is for human error to occur.
When it’s a nuclear submarine and cost nearly $3 billion, you aren’t allowed to make mistakes of this magnitude. It really is that simple.
I suggest reviewing the history of lost submarines, for perspective.
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
When it’s a nuclear submarine and cost nearly $3 billion, you aren’t allowed to make mistakes of this magnitude. It really is that simple.
I suggest reviewing the history of lost submarines, for perspective.
I’ve read many of them.
I suspect we are coming at the same thing from different angles.
You can’t have a culture that tolerates accidents like this, so get some systems in place to prevent them. It’s not about one person or piece of equipment. Swiss cheese model etc.
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suggest reviewing the history of lost submarines, for perspective.
I’ve read many of them. I suspect we are coming at the same thing from different angles. You can’t have a culture that tolerates accidents like this, so get some systems in place to prevent them. It’s not about one person or piece of equipment. Swiss cheese model etc.
You said something quite different sounding than here. Here you mention systems to prevent mistakes. Your original post said
you aren’t allowed to make mistakes of this magnitude. It really is that simple.
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve read many of them. I suspect we are coming at the same thing from different angles. You can’t have a culture that tolerates accidents like this, so get some systems in place to prevent them. It’s not about one person or piece of equipment. Swiss cheese model etc.
You said something quite different sounding than here. Here you mention systems to prevent mistakes. Your original post said you aren’t allowed to make mistakes of this magnitude. It really is that simple. That does not mention prevention systems and instead put the blame squarely on the person making the mistake. They "simply should not have made the mistake, duh!"
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Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve read many of them. I suspect we are coming at the same thing from different angles. You can’t have a culture that tolerates accidents like this, so get some systems in place to prevent them. It’s not about one person or piece of equipment. Swiss cheese model etc.
You said something quite different sounding than here. Here you mention systems to prevent mistakes. Your original post said you aren’t allowed to make mistakes of this magnitude. It really is that simple. That does not mention prevention systems and instead put the blame squarely on the person making the mistake. They "simply should not have made the mistake, duh!"
Someone has allowed some crap systems to exist by the time something like this happens.
You’re right that my initial post makes it sound like I blame one person, and I do. However it isn’t just the person who didn’t close the hatch. I blame the whole command structure and particularly those at the top of it.
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#17Unfair to single them out. Submarines sink regularly, often due to human error. Grounding, collisions, even arson. Periscope hatches left open, oxygen ports closed. Ever drive off and leave your trunk lid open? Forget a kid at the mall? Not call your Mom on Mothers' Day? Then you understand how easy it is for human error to occur.
My car will not start in gear, nor will it start without a foot on the brake.
Understanding and preventing human error is a basic part of design. Especially for things that cost $3B.
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#18Unfair to single them out. Submarines sink regularly, often due to human error. Grounding, collisions, even arson. Periscope hatches left open, oxygen ports closed. Ever drive off and leave your trunk lid open? Forget a kid at the mall? Not call your Mom on Mothers' Day? Then you understand how easy it is for human error to occur.
Human error that can be easily predicted and fixed with tech is kind of a design issue though. Shouldn't those all have sensors on them to stop this? People use Google calendar to remember what day is Mother's day, submarines can do the same.
Really all human error that has happened before is predictable. My rule for myself is to assume any mistake I've ever made, or imagined making, is possible.
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#19Reads like clickbait. The thing you want to read is below the unrelated Youtube video talking about Russia's military strength. :-|
Re: How to Sink a $3B Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open
#20Unfair to single them out. Submarines sink regularly, often due to human error. Grounding, collisions, even arson. Periscope hatches left open, oxygen ports closed. Ever drive off and leave your trunk lid open? Forget a kid at the mall? Not call your Mom on Mothers' Day? Then you understand how easy it is for human error to occur.
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