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Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

It was a completely foreseeable result of a very small minority's war on internet standards. First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered.

What did they think countries were gonna do? Just give up governing? Did they really think a web browser was going to defeat an entire nation state's domestic and foreign policy?

Rather than allow the user to determine their own level of security and privacy, they forced the user to choose the strongest method, which of course forced governments to use more extreme measures to fulfill their legislative requirements. Rather than just spying on users or filter their traffic, now they outright just block the internet. Thanks internet standards paternalists! Having no internet is so much better than internet without privacy.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

#13

Post by dfsl »

I agree with article's title that Cloudflare is slow but I don't agree that Cloudflare can't do much about it. For instance, putting efforts to remove bots and malicious actors from using its platform is one thing, Cloudflare can do with more seriousness.

Cloudflare turned out to be a big mistake for us. Read our experience:

https://freesoftware.life/how-to-speed-up-your-wordpress-web...

https://freesoftware.life/how-using-cloudflare-free-plan-des...

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

#14

Post by awill »

VoidWhisperer wrote: post #8
hammyhavoc wrote: post #4

Misleading title as it lacks context.

It could be argued that the title is just plain wrong - this doesn't seem to be a problem with cloudflare as the title would imply, it is an issue caused by the user's ISP and other ISPs in their country blocking certain IP addresses for some reason or another.

I think it's accurate. The first Cloudflare refers to the product, and the second Cloudflare refers to the company.

Ultimately if Cloudflare's customers see slow performance, it doesn't really matter who is to blame. The customers just have a bad experience.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by xvector »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #11
rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

It was a completely foreseeable result of a very small minority's war on internet standards. First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered. What did they think countries were gonna do? Just give up governing? Did they really think a web browser was going to defeat an e…

> result of a very small minority's war [...] forcing everyone to use TLS

You are seriously suggesting that the move to TLS was a bad thing? Before the era of TLS, I, as a child, could see everyone's private information on any network I was on.

> user to determine their own level of security and privacy

Because your average person can be trusted to understand the nuances of cybersecurity? Get real! The average software engineer would struggle with these settings.

> Thanks internet standards paternalists! Having no internet is so much better than internet without privacy.

You're saying this sarcastically but it's absolutely true. If the government blocks a service because they can't use it to spy, citizens get angry at their government. Working as intended.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by hammyhavoc »

awill wrote: post #14
VoidWhisperer wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be argued that the title is just plain wrong - this doesn't seem to be a problem with cloudflare as the title would imply, it is an issue caused by the user's ISP and other ISPs in their country blocking certain IP addresses for some reason or another.

I think it's accurate. The first Cloudflare refers to the product, and the second Cloudflare refers to the company. Ultimately if Cloudflare's customers see slow performance, it doesn't really matter who is to blame. The customers just have a bad experience.

Well, this is tantamount to saying "X Server is Slow"—when accessed from Japan, when your server is in a datacenter in North America. I know we're talking India here, but it's a personal experience, my server wasn't slow, but felt like it in Japan. There is a specific context that yielded this result, and that's important to actually having a meaningful story that isn't just clickbait for a blog on HN.

In this particular scenario, CloudFlare isn't slow, but their experience of accessing it under the context of x circumstance is.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by [deleted] »

benatkin wrote: post #7

Russia has blocked Cloudflare before too. You can see it in the issues for jsDelivr (which apparently handles a lot of traffic for TASS, since they use the CDN and browsers don't share caches for privacy reasons). https://github.com/jsdelivr/jsdelivr/issues/762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24894135 https://learningjquery.com/2012/01/why-to-use-google-hosted-...

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Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

#20

Post by re-thc »

awill wrote: post #14
VoidWhisperer wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be argued that the title is just plain wrong - this doesn't seem to be a problem with cloudflare as the title would imply, it is an issue caused by the user's ISP and other ISPs in their country blocking certain IP addresses for some reason or another.

I think it's accurate. The first Cloudflare refers to the product, and the second Cloudflare refers to the company. Ultimately if Cloudflare's customers see slow performance, it doesn't really matter who is to blame. The customers just have a bad experience.

How is it accurate? Who's to say that Cloudflare can't do much about it?
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