- PM/PO loves scrum, that gives them an illusion of controlling the dev speed/progress... - the estimate is a joke... - the standup is useful to know who is pretending work. but no need a daily standup for sure. and a non-technical PM with scrum makes things worse.
You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
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Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#12Is “doing Kanban” just having tasks on a board without any sort of sprint structure? I feel like it’s a bit of a false equivalence. While I won’t ever defend all the cruft that comes with Scrum, the article seems like a bit of a straw man.
That being said, I would say that having a Kanban board without any sprint structure (or any attached micromeetings) would skyrocket my productivity. The two-week sprint thing is meaningless to me - in my org tickets overflow from one sprint to the next all the time, tickets get added mid-sprint, it's an utterly meaningless distinction.
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#13Kanban is a back pressure mechanism that can get your factory logistics system running smoothly. However the logistics of creative work is very different than the logistics of assembly work. There are almost no parts needed, why is a backpressure system for part delivery even useful?
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#14I've heard over and over from managers that scrum is better at anticipating delivery dates. Even when the dates are consistently missed. They'd rather slow teams down with process so they can have a date to give their stakeholders, regardless of its accuracy.
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#15Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#16You don't need that process. You just need to do this process right.
And then fill that post with all of the obstacles that doing anything right entails.
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#17Is “doing Kanban” just having tasks on a board without any sort of sprint structure? I feel like it’s a bit of a false equivalence. While I won’t ever defend all the cruft that comes with Scrum, the article seems like a bit of a straw man.
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#18Is “doing Kanban” just having tasks on a board without any sort of sprint structure? I feel like it’s a bit of a false equivalence. While I won’t ever defend all the cruft that comes with Scrum, the article seems like a bit of a straw man.
In my previous job we used it and I liked it, but I haven't used Scrum before so I can't comment as to how effective it could be.
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#19Only if all tasks are of equal priority, which is rare. Otherwise you need some (very basic) cost estimation in order to prioritize.
> Retrospective sessions are also fundamental for a team to continuously improve the way it works. The problem with these sessions in Scrum is that they either happen too early or late. Although it’s good for teams to discuss their practices and look for ways to improve them, it may not be necessary to hold a retrospective session if everything is going fantastically well. Conversely, it may be harmful to wait for two or more weeks to discuss systemic problems impacting the current pieces of work or the overall goal the team is working towards.
> In Kanban, there’s nothing preventing teams from scheduling regular meetings. Yet, teams have the flexibility to schedule meetings whenever they’re necessary.
But unfortunately this means they also have the flexibility to not hold a meeting when it's necessary.
I don't think this article is exactly wrong - Scrum is to a certain extent a crutch, just as any process is to a certain extent a crutch - but I think it overestimates the average manager/team. In my experience teams that pick Kanban over Scrum tend to have issues with stalled, overly-large, and poorly-prioritised tasks (e.g. an undesirable task can sit indefinitely in the "ready for work" column which is usually not what you want), too little process refinement (in particular, retrospectives end up being rare) and take too long to recognise issues.
Scrum is prescriptive and restrictive, but it's like that because it works. After all, if your team was perfect you wouldn't need Kanban either. Just do the right thing and don't do the wrong thing bro.
Re: You don't need Scrum, you just need to do Kanban right (2022)
#20Is “doing Kanban” just having tasks on a board without any sort of sprint structure? I feel like it’s a bit of a false equivalence. While I won’t ever defend all the cruft that comes with Scrum, the article seems like a bit of a straw man.
They're prioritized tasks. They're pulled through. Simplicity is the structure.