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Google DeepMind CEO says some form of AGI possible in a few years

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Always found it interesting that GPT4 sparks of AGI paper was written mid-2022 meaning they probably knew of everything Twitter AI is discussing 1.5 years ago. Explains why it feels like Microsoft is cranking out so much software these days

Re: Google DeepMind CEO says some form of AGI possible in a few years

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The other few things possible in next few years for past few years are:

1. Fusion 2. Self driving cars. 3. Ubiquitous, generally available and stable 8192 bit quantum computers. 4. High energy density grid scale batteries.

Just few more "this maybe the... what could revolutionize..." articles away.

What we forget is that it is in these people's business interest (executives making such statements) to state the exaggerated version of a future which drives the investors of all levels to allocate funds under FOMO which pumps up share price which is the end goal anyway, through a breakthrough or without.

EDIT: Merged another comment to keep all in one place.

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I really wonder what the next AI winter will be like. Edit: Perhaps OpenAI becomes a major tech player and we just see a cooling off of other AI investments as LLM becomes a known in terms of its strengths and weaknesses. Its abilities reach a natural limit which is still generally very useful. Or maybe folks realize the degree of lies/mistruths inherent in its content is actually unmanageable and can’t be improved.…

>we just see a cooling off of other endeavors as LLM becomes a known in terms of its strengths and weaknesses and it’s abilities reach a natural limit which is still general useful.

This is my prediction

If the training set is just the internet, it will be not much different than someone who spends all their lives in their room in front of their computer.

Re: Google DeepMind CEO says some form of AGI possible in a few years

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I predict that the fight will be more about defining intelligence than inventing it.

No one knows what AGI is. There isn't going to be some switch that flips to take us from AI to AGI. These tools we have today will just keep getting incrementally better, and some new ones will pop up, and at some point we'll have to stop and say "yeah, this is good enough to qualify". And everyone will have their own opinion on what that point is. Plenty of people even think that we are there today, and there's nothing stopping Google or OpenAI from claiming it if they want.

And you can say the exact same for consciousness, sentience, self-awareness etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in real terms, isn't all it takes is something that's a convincing enough forgery? Like why the turing test was considered interesting at one point. I don't think drawing a line is necessary for us to quickly become caught off guard by developments in this space. For the record, I don't believe we're close to AGI but I'm also pretty far from knowing anything about that field.

Seems like a no lose bet no matter the odds. If you win, life goes on and you can collect a bit of money. If you lose, money becomes worthless and the surface of the earth gets transformed into a computing substrate.

I don't know. Having interacted with LLMs at different levels, they resemble a very sophisticated, alien intelligence trying to pretend to be human. It's like me pretending to be a dog; even if I were to emulate a dog perfectly, I wouldn't have the same emotions; I'd be pretending.

We have no idea what emotions, motivations, behaviors, or goals AIs have, will have, or if they'll have something as of yet unconvinced that's not emotions or motivations, but just alien.

We evolved to self-preserve and breed. Modern AIs evolve to pretend to write human text. It's not clear there is any intention to survive, reproduce, or turn the surface of the earth into a computing substrate.

There's a million different dangers -- and I suspect the real ones are ones we haven't conceived of. Whether they'll materialize or how depends on on how we evolve them, and I expect we can't predict it.

To me, much more likely than earth-as-a-computing-substrate is humans-as-brainwashed-consumers. Market forces will push for AIs to write text which draws eyeballs. Those models won't care about truth, ethics, or much of anything other than getting you addicted to reading what they write (or watching what they create). At that point, we can destroy ourselves just fine.

But even more likely is something no one has thought of.

Re: Google DeepMind CEO says some form of AGI possible in a few years

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I wish I could bet real money on this cause I would bet hard against this statement. The issue is that nobody seems to agree what AGI even is.

It's boils down to a question of "personhood." It turns out that's a political question and not a scientific one.

Another way to say this: when will someone allow an AGI to have free rein and independent choice and power? How much power will we allow it?

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The other few things possible in next few years for past few years are: 1. Fusion 2. Self driving cars. 3. Ubiquitous, generally available and stable 8192 bit quantum computers. 4. High energy density grid scale batteries. Just few more "this maybe the... what could revolutionize..." articles away. What we forget is that it is in these people's business interest (executives making such statements) to state the exagge…

Just a point with #4.

Grid scale batteries don’t need to be “high energy density” like EVs. I would argue that cost is probably the biggest factor, and it’s already across the cost/benefit barrier in many markets.

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AGI is the point when humans lose control, but between now and then they will lose a lot of white collar employment jobs. Based on the increase in productivity of anyone equipped with AI tools, we may see a lot of self-employment become more and more viable and lucrative.

I'll consider us lucky if losing control means something intelligent has taken control. Like most car accidents, it could end up just being a series of dumb mistakes.
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