> Justice Minister Flavio Dino said Google had two hours after being notified to change a link on its search engine that connects to material that argues against the regulation bill and urges readers to call their representatives to vote against it. Linking to material that doesn't support an awful bullshit law. Going to be fined $200k/hr if they didn't take down the link. Google can't even advocate for themaelves, a…
Tell me you’re American without telling me you’re American.
Brazil orders Google to curb campaign against 'fake news law'
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#12> Justice Minister Flavio Dino said Google had two hours after being notified to change a link on its search engine that connects to material that argues against the regulation bill and urges readers to call their representatives to vote against it. Linking to material that doesn't support an awful bullshit law. Going to be fined $200k/hr if they didn't take down the link. Google can't even advocate for themaelves, a…
> Google can't even advocate for themaelves, according to Brazil. Illiberal, un-Democratic, & thin skinned. Inflammatory but agreeable. > Letting each country regulate the internet as they see fit is not sustainable. Each country can regulate any other aspect of their society. Like every other industry is. Welcome to the future, it looks like the past. Realistically, nations will regulate. You’ll see companies run ge…
> Each country can regulate any other aspect of their society. Like every other industry is. Welcome to the future, it looks like the past.
Brazil is granting themselves right to regulate the entire internet, which is more than their society.
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#13> Justice Minister Flavio Dino said Google had two hours after being notified to change a link on its search engine that connects to material that argues against the regulation bill and urges readers to call their representatives to vote against it. Linking to material that doesn't support an awful bullshit law. Going to be fined $200k/hr if they didn't take down the link. Google can't even advocate for themaelves, a…
Would you rather the internet just keep decaying as major corps like google do everything they can to make search impossible unless it’s through a funnel where you end up paying one of their advertisers? At this point nations screwing with google is just cathartic. They deserve zero sympathy.
I hate Google and its surveillance capitalism abuses as much as anyone here but they're not in the wrong here. Brazilian politicians and supreme court are threatening hourly fines if they don't remove what's essentially their own opinions on their own sites. LITERAL censorship.
This shit is completely out of control. I'm actually afraid and worried about my own safety. It's gotten to the point my own family -- who lived through the military dictatorship -- advised me to stop posting online for fear it may lead to my arrest. How fucked up is that?
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#14It seems the rationale is Google is abusing market power as a interested party, by weaponising the home page of its main product, Google search, to attack the proposal.
It's a shaky rationale, because I highly doubt Google would be threatened or fined if the message was in favor of the proposal. Corporations have free speech or they don't, pick one.
Re: Brazil orders Google to curb campaign against 'fake news law'
#15> Justice Minister Flavio Dino said Google had two hours after being notified to change a link on its search engine that connects to material that argues against the regulation bill and urges readers to call their representatives to vote against it. Linking to material that doesn't support an awful bullshit law. Going to be fined $200k/hr if they didn't take down the link. Google can't even advocate for themaelves, a…
> Letting each country regulate the internet as they see fit is not sustainable. That only works if you live in the country which sets the rules. Sure, it’s a hassle, but every other industry deals with local regulation when doing international business. Trade agreements and trade blocs like the EU help somewhat in harmonizing legislation. > The information superhighway is being demolished by the egocentric greed of…
Brazil isn't regulating their state, they're regulating the internet.
Your tough-love rejoinder here feels wildly inappropriate for a place with "Hacker" in the name. This place should cherish some freedom & some ability to let different people & different places try different things. Instead we're all being tied down by any state anywhere that wants to make any rule.
How does this play keep playing out? What happens when rules are in conflict? What happens when Brazil decides one thing has to be said and another state decides that is fake news & can't be said. This post is about Brazil telling Google they can't advocate for their position at all, but what they're advocating against is compelled speech. What if that compelled speech directly conflict with another states laws?
I don't see any long term play where any of this ever gets better. The legal climate will only get worse and worse here. There's too many states, and there's next to no hope for making speech possible again. The legal condition for ability to think and speak freely has gotten incredibly murky in the past couple of years, and this tough love proposal to just deal with it, to respect everyone, obey all the laws: it has no quarter in my heart. It should be obviously terrible & awful a situation.
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#16The new Brazilian government still dreams of rebuilding in South America what was lost in the Soviet Block.
They are hard-line socialists and as good authoritarian socialists they want to control and regulate every aspect of the daily life.
This has nothing to do with "fake news" but with media regulation and opposition strangulation. During the last year election period the Constitutional rights of freedom of speech were lifted to avoid "fake news" during the process. The result: only conservative/right content was censored. Real facts like President Lula association with dictators (for example Nicaragua's Ortega) was censored.
The West supported Lula strongly during election and now is slowly realized the huge mistake this was. Lula supports China and Russia, hates the US and dreams of a Great Motherland uniting all South America countries into a big latino socialist republic...
Re: Brazil orders Google to curb campaign against 'fake news law'
#17> Justice Minister Flavio Dino said Google had two hours after being notified to change a link on its search engine that connects to material that argues against the regulation bill and urges readers to call their representatives to vote against it. Linking to material that doesn't support an awful bullshit law. Going to be fined $200k/hr if they didn't take down the link. Google can't even advocate for themaelves, a…
Would you rather the internet just keep decaying as major corps like google do everything they can to make search impossible unless it’s through a funnel where you end up paying one of their advertisers? At this point nations screwing with google is just cathartic. They deserve zero sympathy.
I rather deal with Google than deal with armed goons backed by laws.
Re: Brazil orders Google to curb campaign against 'fake news law'
#18The new Brazilian government still dreams of rebuilding in South America what was lost in the Soviet Block. They are hard-line socialists and as good authoritarian socialists they want to control and regulate every aspect of the daily life. This has nothing to do with "fake news" but with media regulation and opposition strangulation. During the last year election period the Constitutional rights of freedom of speech…
Cirurgic.
This law was also about using big tech money to pay for support from the old media and content creators. The good thing is that the government will have a lot of trouble if they can't pass this bill.
Re: Brazil orders Google to curb campaign against 'fake news law'
#19It seems the rationale is Google is abusing market power as a interested party, by weaponising the home page of its main product, Google search, to attack the proposal.
It's a shaky rationale, because I highly doubt Google would be threatened or fined if the message was in favor of the proposal. Corporations have free speech or they don't, pick one.
Where are you deriving the notion that Brasil grants corporations "free speech"?
Local market compliance. It's part of every OTHER economic sector, get over it.
Re: Brazil orders Google to curb campaign against 'fake news law'
#20The new Brazilian government still dreams of rebuilding in South America what was lost in the Soviet Block. They are hard-line socialists and as good authoritarian socialists they want to control and regulate every aspect of the daily life. This has nothing to do with "fake news" but with media regulation and opposition strangulation. During the last year election period the Constitutional rights of freedom of speech…
It's nice to see there are people here on HN who get it. For a second I thought I was alone here. I'm always having to remind people that Lula's a socialist.