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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by dingusdew »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

They are only that way because our society treats them as luxuries instead of baseline "these are needed to properly take care of yourself."

Apparently only the rich deserve things like this, according to US society.

You know, rich folks like Steve Jobs who definitely listen to their doctors and their support networks and definitely don't fall for quacky bullshit that means they die from a totally manageable type of cancer.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by t-writescode »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

I have to disagree. That Western Society has systemically chosen to redefine them as luxuries and has forced its residents to treat them as luxuries, rather than the obligation for a healthy human experience that they are is a major source of the harm we experience every day.

We need to return to considering and treating them as the mandatories that they are or else we will continue to experience the cost of neglecting them, just like neglecting Vitamin C results in scurvy.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by ianlevesque »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

No, no, everything is a personal failing. Pull yourself up by those bootstraps. What externalities?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by Aune »

biotechbio wrote: post #7

bioscience phd student. Why is this interesting? Tl;dr from the article, they used flow cytometry to quantify different cell populations in the blood, and noted that the proportion of CD8+ T cells (cytotoxic, the kind of immune cells that recognize and kill cancer cells, among other things) increases after exercise and returns to baseline 30 min later. Claiming that this supports the idea that cancer patients could b…

If they return to baseline in 30 minutes, was there even an increase to begin with? What is the mean lifetime of those cytotoxic cells, and would one expect such a decay in so short a time?

I understand that it is a very dynamic system but 30 minutes seems very short to me. So is the return a die-off or where do they go?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by jimbob45 »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

Couldn't agree more. Seems like a lot of people on here think that low-income earners eat off of the McD's dollar menu by choice.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by 10xDev »

lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

You forgot to add good genetics.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by ericmay »

10xDev wrote: post #16
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

You forgot to add good genetics.

Those help but are completely out of your control.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by acabal »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

I think it's important to note that they're luxuries in the modern society we've built for ourselves in the West. Long, long ago, small communities without access to high-speed travel provided social support; no cars and little white-collar work means exercise was baked into life with much walking and manual labor; diet was mostly unprocessed food farmed nearby; and no screens or even electricity meant sleep well before midnight till dawn.

Of course, there were plenty of problems back then, too - I'm not saying it was an idyllic utopia. But in our modern life, it seems like we've just traded one set of problems for another.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

I understand this is probably an uncomfortable topic, but I’d love to hear more from you on this.
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