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How to make buttons in VR (2017)

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Re: How to make buttons in VR (2017)

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Post by mrguyorama »

foxyv wrote: post #8
Steltek wrote: post #7

If you want a UI for pizza peel hands, the clear choice is flag semaphore! I don't have VR goggles but I feel like someone will eventually come up with a successful Minority Report imitation. We'll all have very tired arms but that seems a fait accompli of VR stuff anyway?

One thing I noticed from VR is that it is exhausting. Something about it just drains me. Even just sitting and using a joystick. This is aside from even the weight of the headset. Just having my brain process the vision part of it isn't super sustainable. I've found, flipping up the headset every 10-20 minutes helps a lot though. I mostly play flight sims so I don't use the motion controllers or anything, but I can't…

I don't find this. 4 hour VR sessions were the norm for me for quite some time. The big limiter for me is my feet and lower back getting tired from standing in one place for several hours. Presumably I need to wear shoes or something.

Re: How to make buttons in VR (2017)

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Post by mrguyorama »

anilakar wrote: post #6

Flight simmers like using physical button boxes instead. It takes around two weeks to get used to the button locations even when they don't match the virtual cockpit. A good old mouse works just as well and its microswitches give a nice tactile response.

Even with VTOL VR, which is a flying/weapons simulator designed explicitly to be used only with VR controllers could really be better allowing you to map an actual stick and/or throttle. Keeping your hand "still" or aligned with no guide, ie just free floating in the air, is an awful experience. It's worse than that fad of using the motion controls of the Wiimote to drive a car, or that time kinect made you mime a steering wheel to control a car.

Microsoft Flight Sim seems explicitly intended for you to sit in front of your normal computer screen with flight stick and keyboard and mouse and just plop the headset on. It requires you to press spacebar before you can do anything if you start the game in VR. It's so stupid.

Re: How to make buttons in VR (2017)

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Post by ranger207 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #12
anilakar wrote: post #6

Flight simmers like using physical button boxes instead. It takes around two weeks to get used to the button locations even when they don't match the virtual cockpit. A good old mouse works just as well and its microswitches give a nice tactile response.

Even with VTOL VR, which is a flying/weapons simulator designed explicitly to be used only with VR controllers could really be better allowing you to map an actual stick and/or throttle. Keeping your hand "still" or aligned with no guide, ie just free floating in the air, is an awful experience. It's worse than that fad of using the motion controls of the Wiimote to drive a car, or that time kinect made you mime a st…

In VTOL VR you can reposition the stick and even swap it to center stick. I usually keep it sidestick and rest it on my leg. The throttle is still a problem but you don't usually have to hold onto it all the time. And the collective in the AH-94 is no worse than a real helicopter

I was hoping someone would bring up VTOL VR though because it has the best buttons I've used in any VR game so far. Just touching a button is too imprecise; laser pointers can be awkward. Holding your hand over the button, getting a slight vibration to let you know you're in the connect interaction zone, the clicking the trigger is the best option in most circumstances

Re: How to make buttons in VR (2017)

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Post by sli »

mrguyorama wrote: post #11
foxyv wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I noticed from VR is that it is exhausting. Something about it just drains me. Even just sitting and using a joystick. This is aside from even the weight of the headset. Just having my brain process the vision part of it isn't super sustainable. I've found, flipping up the headset every 10-20 minutes helps a lot though. I mostly play flight sims so I don't use the motion controllers or anything, but I can't…

I don't find this. 4 hour VR sessions were the norm for me for quite some time. The big limiter for me is my feet and lower back getting tired from standing in one place for several hours. Presumably I need to wear shoes or something.

I regularly do sessions of 8 hours and just making sure that I move around a lot in my playspace helps a lot. My legs will be pretty tired by the end, because it's still standing for 8 hours, but it's helped a ton with the foot pain.

I still think I'd like some kinda lightweight, supportive indoor shoes for VR, especially if they have spots for foot trackers on them.

Re: How to make buttons in VR (2017)

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Post by bvisness »

nightowl_games wrote: post #5

Good article. Not sure why the box cast would fix the "paddle goes through the box" thing though, unless they are doing the box cast at the rendering Hz and the physics Hz is significantly slower - which makes sense. I made physics buttons in Unity and they worked well. Key is the colliders on the hands need some special sauce to make them be real proper physics objects that don't collide into things. The SteamVR dem…

Tunneling can easily happen in any physics setup if things are moving fast enough - and with giant pizza peel hands, the rotation alone was causing things to move too quickly. And in general I don't think it makes sense to use a physics simulation for UI elements like that. You want the behavior to be as reliable and deterministic as possible, and that's easy to achieve without a physics sim for simple interactions.
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