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Re: Vercel Service Markup

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

beginnings wrote: post #9

A whole industry has sprung around charging front end developers for basic server management tasks. They will quite literally pay for anything that means they don't have to SSH into Ubuntu server. The irony is they are taking on a ton of overhead with multiple services instead of learning how to set up Nginx and sudo apt install Postgres.

I dont think this is the right argument to make. People do this not to avoid setting up nginx and Postgres, they do it to avoid needing to worry about scalability later down the line.

Yes, for hobby projects and proofs of concept you can easily get away with a VPS from DigitalOcean or Vultr (are they still around?), but for anything with super variable traffic? Planning to post a link to HackerNews or ProductHunt? Cloudflare Workers and Fauna keep your site online, the VPS crashes.

Re: Vercel Service Markup

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Post by beginnings »

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #11
beginnings wrote: post #9

A whole industry has sprung around charging front end developers for basic server management tasks. They will quite literally pay for anything that means they don't have to SSH into Ubuntu server. The irony is they are taking on a ton of overhead with multiple services instead of learning how to set up Nginx and sudo apt install Postgres.

I dont think this is the right argument to make. People do this not to avoid setting up nginx and Postgres, they do it to avoid needing to worry about scalability later down the line. Yes, for hobby projects and proofs of concept you can easily get away with a VPS from DigitalOcean or Vultr (are they still around?), but for anything with super variable traffic? Planning to post a link to HackerNews or ProductHunt? Cl…

What percentage of projects ever need that scale? Is it not something crazy like 95% of startups fail? A lot of the successful ones will be in niche categories as well that just don't have scale problems like major social media and tech companies.

Re: Vercel Service Markup

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Post by dlisboa »

beginnings wrote: post #9

A whole industry has sprung around charging front end developers for basic server management tasks. They will quite literally pay for anything that means they don't have to SSH into Ubuntu server. The irony is they are taking on a ton of overhead with multiple services instead of learning how to set up Nginx and sudo apt install Postgres.

There's a lot more to running your own server than that. I set up a Hetzner VPS just for play one weekend. I forgot all about it and came back a couple days later: it had already been compromised and was being used to mine crypto coin. All because I left something running (related to Docker) which I don't even remember starting.

Hardening your servers, ensuring proper port exposure, ensuring upgrades and security patches, is thought and time you need to spend. It's hard to keep track of all vulnerabilities in all software. That'd before even talking about zero-downtime deployments and all of that.

Running NGINX and Postgres is not the difficult part that people are avoiding. There's a good reason these services exist.

Re: Vercel Service Markup

#15

Post by paxys »

orliesaurus wrote: post #12

Serious question: do big companies actually use Vercel? I never worked at a big/very big company but I don't see how these prices would scale for them

Next.js is incredibly popular in the industry. Some of the largest companies out there use it. Whether they host on Vercel or not I can't say, but I'm sure that number isn't zero.

Of course we are talking more about auxiliary stuff like landing pages, marketing sites, blogs and documentation, not hosting for their core business.

Re: Vercel Service Markup

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Post by mattwad »

beginnings wrote: post #9

A whole industry has sprung around charging front end developers for basic server management tasks. They will quite literally pay for anything that means they don't have to SSH into Ubuntu server. The irony is they are taking on a ton of overhead with multiple services instead of learning how to set up Nginx and sudo apt install Postgres.

it's great for contractors with small projects where the customer is happy to pay for less maintenance fees. Not sure I would use it for a company I worked for full-time, though.

Re: Vercel Service Markup

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Post by seabrookmx »

alberth wrote: post #17

Seems like “vercel” should be renamed “resell”.

lol not sure why you're being downvoted.

I'll point out this is nothing new. Heroku being another (maybe dated) example.

Fly.io isn't perfect but I have to hand it to them, atleast they self-host and work to differentiate their stack.

Re: Vercel Service Markup

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Post by beginnings »

dlisboa wrote: post #14
beginnings wrote: post #9

A whole industry has sprung around charging front end developers for basic server management tasks. They will quite literally pay for anything that means they don't have to SSH into Ubuntu server. The irony is they are taking on a ton of overhead with multiple services instead of learning how to set up Nginx and sudo apt install Postgres.

There's a lot more to running your own server than that. I set up a Hetzner VPS just for play one weekend. I forgot all about it and came back a couple days later: it had already been compromised and was being used to mine crypto coin. All because I left something running (related to Docker) which I don't even remember starting. Hardening your servers, ensuring proper port exposure, ensuring upgrades and security pat…

Set up fail2ban then good luck to anyone to anyone trying your address, it's very simple. Ensuring upgrades and security patches is literally running sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade. Should be a piece of cake for anyone who has been running Linux for a few years.
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