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U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

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Right now one party is to blame for the debt ceiling not being raised. That might change in the future, and if it does I'll be the first one to blame the Democrats. But today, right now, it's the Republicans screwing up.

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It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

The problem with 1 is that, if the Supreme Court rules that the debt ceiling limit is constitutional, then the US is right then, as of the moment of the ruling, in default. That's an insanely risky gamble.

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It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

What is the desired end game supposed to be, of successive "clean" debt ceiling hikes? How much longer should we be spending money we don't have—enough to make inflation even worse? Enough that nobody will lend to us anymore and default is forced? What's the plan here?

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It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

What is the desired end game supposed to be, of successive "clean" debt ceiling hikes? How much longer should we be spending money we don't have—enough to make inflation even worse? Enough that nobody will lend to us anymore and default is forced? What's the plan here?

Whatever needs to be done must be done during the budgeting process. Not when the check comes due. Congress wrote the check years ago. Now it's time to pay. If Republicans truly want a more balanced budget they should pursue it then. Of course, the last time the Republicans passed a budget it was far from balanced. Make of that what you will.

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It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

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You are part of the problem.

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there are many ways to avoid default. (1) discharge petition - bill from committee to a vote. (2) Fourteenth Amendment Constitution prevents willful default until SCOTUS says otherwise. Just keep issuing debt. (3) High coupon and low principal. 10-year bond with $1 in principal and annual $100 coupon will increase debt ceiling almost 1000X. (4) high denominations coin minting

These are bandaids. Very soon it will become apparent that the US needs to take extraordinary measures to solve its debt problem, and such measures need an extraordinary excuse, more extraordinary than the recent pandemic.

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there are many ways to avoid default. (1) discharge petition - bill from committee to a vote. (2) Fourteenth Amendment Constitution prevents willful default until SCOTUS says otherwise. Just keep issuing debt. (3) High coupon and low principal. 10-year bond with $1 in principal and annual $100 coupon will increase debt ceiling almost 1000X. (4) high denominations coin minting

> (4) high denominations coin minting

Far and away the most entertaining path. Who gets to carry the trillion dollar coin from the mint to the treasury? How many heist plots will be foiled? How many movies about said heist plots will be made? Will there be a elaborate motorcade that's ultimately a ruse while the coin is sent by USPS in a plain envelope?

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Both sides are the same is such a tired line.

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I've held a view similar to yours for a while, that the two parties are the same in many ways, more beholden to money and power than concerned about their constituents.

But I'd point out that one real difference lately is the whole stolen election thing and the related attempts to delegitimize the judicial system. That's some scary stuff. That's how democracies disappear.

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