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Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by legerdemain »

browserman wrote: post #4
64operator wrote: post #3

Vigilante Justice is inevitable when society breaks down. And it’s broken down in SF.

I'm having trouble parsing who you think is the wronged party here, but to be clear this fire official was going around bear spraying random innocuous homeless people before one of his victims fought back and beat him up.

The message pretty clearly states that the visible presence of the homeless is a crime against the OP that leads to vigilantism (i.e., attacks on the homeless). This kind of eliminationist rhetoric is common on this site.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

bastard_op wrote: post #7

> "I didn't go out there to fight anyone," Carmignani told CBS. "I'm trying to get them down the road, go to the park." Yeah, well doesn't seem that way to anyone else. Guess this is what it's become. At what point to do they cordon off San Francisco as a zone of abandonment and urban warfare now? Seems on par with South Central LA of the 80's, only that had less shit involved, literally and figuratively, just bullet…

The reason that Black Lives Matter today is because gangstas have owned the streets for 40+ years.

It is certainly unjust that any innocent should die at the hands of a police officer, but it is not unexpected, that after 40 years of no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners gang warfare in the streets of every major metro and urb, that police have developed an itchy trigger finger when it comes to confrontations with the general public, who have typically been quite well-armed and combat-ready.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by Freedom2 »

legerdemain wrote: post #11
browserman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having trouble parsing who you think is the wronged party here, but to be clear this fire official was going around bear spraying random innocuous homeless people before one of his victims fought back and beat him up.

The message pretty clearly states that the visible presence of the homeless is a crime against the OP that leads to vigilantism (i.e., attacks on the homeless). This kind of eliminationist rhetoric is common on this site.

Could you describe what other kinds of eliminationist rhetoric you encounter on this site?

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by foogazi »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #12
bastard_op wrote: post #7

> "I didn't go out there to fight anyone," Carmignani told CBS. "I'm trying to get them down the road, go to the park." Yeah, well doesn't seem that way to anyone else. Guess this is what it's become. At what point to do they cordon off San Francisco as a zone of abandonment and urban warfare now? Seems on par with South Central LA of the 80's, only that had less shit involved, literally and figuratively, just bullet…

The reason that Black Lives Matter today is because gangstas have owned the streets for 40+ years. It is certainly unjust that any innocent should die at the hands of a police officer, but it is not unexpected, that after 40 years of no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners gang warfare in the streets of every major metro and urb, that police have developed an itchy trigger finger when it comes to confrontations with the g…

> The reason that Black Lives Matter today is because gangstas have owned the streets for 40+ years.

This is about the Fire chief bear-spraying homeless people

> It is certainly unjust that any innocent should die at the hands of a police officer,

By definition

> but it is not unexpected, that after 40 years of no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners gang warfare in the streets of every major metro and urb

This statement doesn’t match reality

There’s no justification for police violence

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by flangola7 »

Freedom2 wrote: post #13
legerdemain wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The message pretty clearly states that the visible presence of the homeless is a crime against the OP that leads to vigilantism (i.e., attacks on the homeless). This kind of eliminationist rhetoric is common on this site.

Could you describe what other kinds of eliminationist rhetoric you encounter on this site?

Anything invoicing trans people like me, and especially anything involving families with trans kids.

It's not by accident that everyone in my immediate social circle carries a weapon of some kind now. The existential threat from both the state and other citizens grows daily.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by anigbrowl »

browserman wrote: post #4
64operator wrote: post #3

Vigilante Justice is inevitable when society breaks down. And it’s broken down in SF.

I'm having trouble parsing who you think is the wronged party here, but to be clear this fire official was going around bear spraying random innocuous homeless people before one of his victims fought back and beat him up.

Just in the interests of accuracy, he's a former fire commissioner. He resigned after 4 months in the job ~10 years ago following his arrest on domestic violence charges.

https://www.marinatimes.com/carmignani-quits-fire-commission

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by rich_sasha »

browserman wrote: post #4
64operator wrote: post #3

Vigilante Justice is inevitable when society breaks down. And it’s broken down in SF.

I'm having trouble parsing who you think is the wronged party here, but to be clear this fire official was going around bear spraying random innocuous homeless people before one of his victims fought back and beat him up.

Not GP but I'll bite: the guilty party is 100% the bear sprayer, whoever it may be (commissioner or not).

But breakdown of law, order and general societal cohesion invites this kind of behaviour. It's still the perpetrator's fault, but conditions are made so that these people are more likely to lash out.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by thagebba »

flangola7 wrote: post #15
Freedom2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you describe what other kinds of eliminationist rhetoric you encounter on this site?

Anything invoicing trans people like me, and especially anything involving families with trans kids. It's not by accident that everyone in my immediate social circle carries a weapon of some kind now. The existential threat from both the state and other citizens grows daily.

Looking forward to being the next Audrey Elizabeth Hale? Be careful you don't get radicalized even further than you already are.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by causi »

Repeatedly bear-spray innocent people, steal from them, hurt their dog, then eventually get cracked in the head

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. These people weren't even damaging his property or impeding his way. What an absolute monster.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by flangola7 »

thagebba wrote: post #18
flangola7 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything invoicing trans people like me, and especially anything involving families with trans kids. It's not by accident that everyone in my immediate social circle carries a weapon of some kind now. The existential threat from both the state and other citizens grows daily.

Looking forward to being the next Audrey Elizabeth Hale? Be careful you don't get radicalized even further than you already are.

Case in point. At least use your real account next time though.
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