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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password

> Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter.

So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back, but 10% of existing users plan on leaving despite Netflix investing in Spanish content.

I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue watching, even if they are also using a competitor. When the family are cut off, they cancel.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Worth to note: Not 1M _PAYING_ users (THAT would be interesting news). They lost 1M users who watch Netflix according to an external household survey

But note that it correlates to a loss of paying users too. "Only" 2/3 of those users were sharing a password.

There's another danger here for them, and that is cultural. Currently e.g. my girlfriend users my password. It means we both watch the same things, and talk about things that are on Netflix, and that serves as a reason for me to keep watching Netflix too. A whole lot of my Netflix watching is down to her. If she were to, say, spend her time on Disney Plus instead and talk to me about series there, I might end up spending more of my time on Disney Plus, and value my Netflix subscription accordingly lower. Do that to enough users and you'll start losing them.

As long as people keep watching Netflix they have a chance to convert them to paying users, but even if that fails, at the very least they have a chance to prevent those people from converting their paying customers to users of other services.

If I was Netflix I'd think long and hard about less invasive means of doing this, such as e.g. putting restrictions on additional household that might nudge them towards paying (e.g. limiting number of profiles so people need to share profiles; putting ads for Netflix in front of shows on "secondary" locations etc.) without outright pushing people off the service.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

> I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue watching. When the family are cut off, they cancel.

That's the case for me indeed. I myself basically stopped watching Netflix, somehow the content doesn't do anything for me anymore.

But I shared my account with family and they watch it. If this gets to us, and I'm the only one who can watch it, I'm for sure cancelling. The family members with whom I'm sharing the account are very unlikely to get their own account either.

(Sharing accounts is a great form of stealth giving to family members who would otherwise not be able to afford such "luxuries". It's much easier to say "hey, I got one free account on my Spotify plan, would you like to use it? Otherwise, it will go to waste" as opposed to awkwardly offering money directly)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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post #10

Not really that surprising is it? I'm waiting for the day they send me the inevitable notice to pay more, aka the day I cancel Netflix. They could get away with this if their offering was substantially better than the competitors but thse days it's not. Pumping out complete crap like 'The Floor is Lava' and the 9 millionth cake contest isn't what built their massive customer base. These days when a new hyped show com…

This was my main problem with Netflix and why I cancelled it a year or so ago. When I realised we often couldn’t find anything we were bothered about watching, it just became a waste of money.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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post #10

Not really that surprising is it? I'm waiting for the day they send me the inevitable notice to pay more, aka the day I cancel Netflix. They could get away with this if their offering was substantially better than the competitors but thse days it's not. Pumping out complete crap like 'The Floor is Lava' and the 9 millionth cake contest isn't what built their massive customer base. These days when a new hyped show com…

If they were smart they'd realise they could launder their overall viewer figures in the stockmarket and (ponzi-style) have the latest shareholders pay them* for inflated 'low rent' users instead of scaring away those users and trying to turn a profit on a shrinking viewer population tolerating higher fees.

* via SBC with SP maintained by higher viewer figures.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#18
I always thought these types of services didn't go after account sharing as a form of flexible pricing. The users who are OK paying $10/mo pay that. The users who wouldn't pay $10 share an account and get a slightly less convenient service.

Are their profit margins so tight that a 1:2 paying non-paying user loss ratio is a net win?

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Okay, but 6-700k of this million were not paying users, but password-borrowers.

I wonder how much this affects the public not talking about the shows and this leading to less engagement. And thus snowballing into even less users, as there is less people to promote shows etc.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

Also, spanish content was better years ago, now everything looks copy paste of the same agenda. Not worth it.
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