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Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

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Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

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With 100% more snaps? No thanks.

What exactly is wrong with snaps?

Snap has been around for 8 years and during this time it got zero traction outside of Ubuntu. Canonical is known for axing their own projects eventually when they fail to get traction, so it seems pretty safe to assume that the writing is on the wall for snap.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

#12
> "This Ubuntu milestone release demonstrates our progress in raising the bar for the enterprise developer desktops, thanks to our best-in-class Linux integration with Active Directory (AD) Domain Services and now Azure Active Directory," said Canonical CEO Mark Shuttleworth.

I specifically moved to 20.04 and 22.04 when they touted this. I don’t see anything amazing here though, even on the desktop side. Eventually I still had to manually configure smb, sssd, nss, and chrony to make AD auth work natively in both my lab and prod networks.

Am I missing something?

Note: I’m not a landscape user or whatever the new version of their management system is.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

#13
post #2

With 100% more snaps? No thanks.

What exactly is wrong with snaps?

I don't know how broad this is, but the container based networking doesn't work with many corporate firewalls. So it's irritating if you happen to use your Ubuntu PC to VPN into work.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is wrong with snaps?

Snap has been around for 8 years and during this time it got zero traction outside of Ubuntu. Canonical is known for axing their own projects eventually when they fail to get traction, so it seems pretty safe to assume that the writing is on the wall for snap.

In Canonical’s defense, it seems like every time they try to do something innovative, Red Hat copies the idea and implements it slightly better.

Upstart -> systemd

Unity -> Gnome 3 Shell

Mir -> Wayland

Snaps -> flatpak

I’m not saying Red Hat is wrong to do this, that’s the nature of healthy competition and we all benefit from this.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is wrong with snaps?

I don't know how broad this is, but the container based networking doesn't work with many corporate firewalls. So it's irritating if you happen to use your Ubuntu PC to VPN into work.

I know the VPN where I work forces all traffic through it, which means no traffic is allowed to the container networks.

It causes problems on Windows with WSL2 as well.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

#16
22.10 was pretty bogus on recent Intel machines, even the 12th generation Core but especially 13th. It was so bad I upgraded to development Lunar as soon as they landed a 6.x kernel. Have been very happy since then. 6.2 is a giant leap beyond 5.19.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

#17

> "This Ubuntu milestone release demonstrates our progress in raising the bar for the enterprise developer desktops, thanks to our best-in-class Linux integration with Active Directory (AD) Domain Services and now Azure Active Directory," said Canonical CEO Mark Shuttleworth. I specifically moved to 20.04 and 22.04 when they touted this. I don’t see anything amazing here though, even on the desktop side. Eventually I…

> Am I missing something?

There's a good synopsis of what's new in this release here:

https://www.howtogeek.com/883728/whats-new-in-ubuntu-23-04-l...

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snap has been around for 8 years and during this time it got zero traction outside of Ubuntu. Canonical is known for axing their own projects eventually when they fail to get traction, so it seems pretty safe to assume that the writing is on the wall for snap.

In Canonical’s defense, it seems like every time they try to do something innovative, Red Hat copies the idea and implements it slightly better. Upstart -> systemd Unity -> Gnome 3 Shell Mir -> Wayland Snaps -> flatpak I’m not saying Red Hat is wrong to do this, that’s the nature of healthy competition and we all benefit from this.

Weren't Wayland and flatpak first?

And GNOME 3 as well? Unity was a reaction to GNOME 3's big changes.

Either way, I agree that competition is better.

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

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Snaps are BS.

I did couple of months ago clean ubuntu 22.10 install. Somehow curl was installed from snap - of course I had problem saving curled files due sandboxing. Installed mosquitto2 (MQTT server) - of course it did not read my custom confs from /etc/... anymore - due sandboxing. Installed Libreoffice from snap - it Calc (excel alternative) was exctremely slow somehow - switched to Libreoffice from APT repo - it was fast as it should be.

and to not start with the autoupdate nonesense that you can not disable.

I have been ususing Kubuntu since 2010 and thinking of switching to some other distro with KDE and all because of SNAPs

Re: Ubuntu 23.04 – 'Lunar Lobster'

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Snaps are BS. I did couple of months ago clean ubuntu 22.10 install. Somehow curl was installed from snap - of course I had problem saving curled files due sandboxing. Installed mosquitto2 (MQTT server) - of course it did not read my custom confs from /etc/... anymore - due sandboxing. Installed Libreoffice from snap - it Calc (excel alternative) was exctremely slow somehow - switched to Libreoffice from APT repo - i…

Fedora has flatpak and it works pretty well (using KDE here). However, Slack and a password manager I prefer are snap only.

I really dislike snaps.

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