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Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by brigadier132 »

Well said, this thing is here to stay. When I first played around with gpt-4 I was filled with immense dread. I, as many others have, immediately understood what kind of enormous societal impact this would have.

But I put the question to myself, if I could magically wish this thing away, would I? I wouldn't. I understand the many that would, this thing completely upends the status quo. Massive swathes of people will have skills they have built up their entire lives become worthless. But the potential for good that can emerge from this, can potentially benefit everyone and the people that are not benefitting from the status quo the most.

If you think AI is a disaster, think about the potential for medical breakthroughs that can emerge from this. Doctors will spend fewer hours writing charts and more time with patients. Every underprivileged child could have a personalized tutor. The number of discoveries and ideas that can be generated are endless.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by notatoad »

>I have added my name to a letter written by Max Tegmark, Steve Wozniak and Elon Musk amongst others to pause on the release of new AI for six months while we try and figure out what we should be doing, but if we don’t use this time to play with and learn from what we have already created how can we hope to understand it?

this is a great point, and i think represents a really good attitude. it seems like there's a whole lot of people who think if they pretend hard enough, AI will go away. and that's obviously not going to happen - it's a useful tool, and so let's all try to figure out how it can be useful in a productive way, not a world-ruining way. and that means using it.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by gwoolhurme »

I think it's only natural to think of AI as the enemy no? Sure theoretically it means better healthcare, scientific improvement. However what nobody has really answered well is what happens to the artists, writers, programmers, scientists, maybe even doctors and lawyers. As we become potentially obsolete what happens to us. Saying that you can do art as a hobby or programming as a hobby really isn't an answer people want to hear. If you want people to not see AI as an enemy then perhaps you should have that discussion. Just to give an anecdotal sob story, my mother passed away from cancer and if AI means a solution to cancer that is amazing, that no other person has to go through the anguish my mother and family had to go through would be amazing. That still doesn't change the point that what will millions of people do in this new industrial revolution? I've said in other threads that my visa is a working visa, if (when?) AI takes my job without that permanent residence what do I do? I don't have anything that ties me to my home country anymore. For me I can only see AI as a future enemy who can do a lot of good...

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by Teever »

yazzku wrote: post #6

> it can provide great education and better healthcare to billions. Correction: if you are in America, *to those who can afford it.

So tired of these kinds of Debbie Downer comments.

It's entirely possible that new technology could drive the cost of these things down even in America.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by ChatGTP »

brigadier132 wrote: post #12

Well said, this thing is here to stay. When I first played around with gpt-4 I was filled with immense dread. I, as many others have, immediately understood what kind of enormous societal impact this would have. But I put the question to myself, if I could magically wish this thing away, would I? I wouldn't. I understand the many that would, this thing completely upends the status quo. Massive swathes of people will…

If you think AI is a disaster, think about the potential for medical breakthroughs that can emerge from this.

The “think of the good” argument is over played. Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct.

I’d like it if people just stopped with it. People aren’t idiots, they know good things and very bad things can be achieved.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by ChatGTP »

make3 wrote: post #11
yazzku wrote: post #6

> it can provide great education and better healthcare to billions. Correction: if you are in America, *to those who can afford it.

why, if you are in America? afaik chatGPT is available everywhere, & there's a huge amount of alternatives

Just a heads up ChatGPT isn’t a substitute for a real doctor.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Post by gwoolhurme »

ChatGTP wrote: post #17
brigadier132 wrote: post #12

Well said, this thing is here to stay. When I first played around with gpt-4 I was filled with immense dread. I, as many others have, immediately understood what kind of enormous societal impact this would have. But I put the question to myself, if I could magically wish this thing away, would I? I wouldn't. I understand the many that would, this thing completely upends the status quo. Massive swathes of people will…

If you think AI is a disaster, think about the potential for medical breakthroughs that can emerge from this. The “think of the good” argument is over played. Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. I’d like it if people just stopped with it. People aren’t idiots, they know good things and very bad things can be achieved.

Yeah I really hate this line of argument as well. We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society. It's a strawman to say that people don't see that. The problem is nobody seems to be properly discussing the bad things that can and will occur.
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