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Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

#11

Post by benj111 »

_kulang wrote: post #7
jimmaswell wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author's a woman: https://maya.land/who/ I love the website but I hate the trend of using "white males" as a punching bag.

It’s a comment on the salient “voice” of the internet and a self-reflection on pressure to co-opt that voice. The fact is that early internet and large internet companies are dominated by the views and values of white American males. As to whether this is a point worth discussion, that’s up to you. I wouldn’t think the worst of it though. I don’t think this post is more than a (perhaps flawed) commentary on a persona…

It's a fact that early hip-hop is dominated by black people. If you made the same kind of comment in relation to that, would that not be deemed racist?

Not that I think it is racist, I would prefer equality of standards though. Unfortunately currently one is deemed acceptable and the other not so much.

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by benj111 »

burnished wrote: post #6

Huh, I don't think I really get what they are trying to put down? I dont see how their title and text connect. Some of their fears felt pretty relatable. I did find their summary of our relationship pretty funny - can't copy and past on their site but the bit about coming for correctly nested html tags for a fee of zero dollars. Side note - that font felt uncomfortable to read, what kind of font is it? I'm super igno…

I read it as printed books mean something whereas online is just throwaway.

A few critiques of the online way of doing things (including of hyperlinks as authority, which I assume is what the title is about).

My irony detector may be too sensitive, but you complaining about the font seems like something that could have fit right in to this essay.

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by burnished »

benj111 wrote: post #12
burnished wrote: post #6

Huh, I don't think I really get what they are trying to put down? I dont see how their title and text connect. Some of their fears felt pretty relatable. I did find their summary of our relationship pretty funny - can't copy and past on their site but the bit about coming for correctly nested html tags for a fee of zero dollars. Side note - that font felt uncomfortable to read, what kind of font is it? I'm super igno…

I read it as printed books mean something whereas online is just throwaway. A few critiques of the online way of doing things (including of hyperlinks as authority, which I assume is what the title is about). My irony detector may be too sensitive, but you complaining about the font seems like something that could have fit right in to this essay.

Ah, thank you for sharing those insights.

As for the font - I was worried it would come off as a complaint but didnt really know how else to express that feeling or ask for more information.

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by benj111 »

burnished wrote: post #13
benj111 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it as printed books mean something whereas online is just throwaway. A few critiques of the online way of doing things (including of hyperlinks as authority, which I assume is what the title is about). My irony detector may be too sensitive, but you complaining about the font seems like something that could have fit right in to this essay.

Ah, thank you for sharing those insights. As for the font - I was worried it would come off as a complaint but didnt really know how else to express that feeling or ask for more information.

I didn't read it as a complaint, you said you didn't get the point, and your comment about the font highlighted that, for me at least.

As the author states

>You came here for correctly nested HTML tags and I sent you them for the fee of zero dollars. I owe you no quality, no restraint.

You didn't pay for this, the author owes you nothing, a printed book you paid for would mean they do owe you something.

I detected irony because people don't tend to criticise font choices in books as much as they do in blogs. Despite the fact said blogs are free and the author owes you nothing.

But this is art, so it's all open to interpretation, and this is mine.

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by hammyhavoc »

benj111 wrote: post #12
burnished wrote: post #6

Huh, I don't think I really get what they are trying to put down? I dont see how their title and text connect. Some of their fears felt pretty relatable. I did find their summary of our relationship pretty funny - can't copy and past on their site but the bit about coming for correctly nested html tags for a fee of zero dollars. Side note - that font felt uncomfortable to read, what kind of font is it? I'm super igno…

I read it as printed books mean something whereas online is just throwaway. A few critiques of the online way of doing things (including of hyperlinks as authority, which I assume is what the title is about). My irony detector may be too sensitive, but you complaining about the font seems like something that could have fit right in to this essay.

My counterargument to this is that there's more throwaway anything in any medium than there is worthwhile stuff.

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

#16

Post by foobarbecue »

jimmaswell wrote: post #5
DangitBobby wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they were expressing their own insecurities surrounding being white and male and wanting to be creative despite maybe being "under-qualified". Having "yet another mediocre white man" perspective. In short, made anxious by racism and sexism targeted towards them.

The author's a woman: https://maya.land/who/ I love the website but I hate the trend of using "white males" as a punching bag.

The author is pointing out the "boy's club" nature of certain parts of the internet. Seems like valid criticism to me (I'm a white male). I don't mind being stereotyped occasionally for a good cause. I find the "Karen" stereotype more concerning considering it impacts such a small minority (people named Karen... the ones in my life don't fit the bill).

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by foobarbecue »

benj111 wrote: post #11
_kulang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a comment on the salient “voice” of the internet and a self-reflection on pressure to co-opt that voice. The fact is that early internet and large internet companies are dominated by the views and values of white American males. As to whether this is a point worth discussion, that’s up to you. I wouldn’t think the worst of it though. I don’t think this post is more than a (perhaps flawed) commentary on a persona…

It's a fact that early hip-hop is dominated by black people. If you made the same kind of comment in relation to that, would that not be deemed racist? Not that I think it is racist, I would prefer equality of standards though. Unfortunately currently one is deemed acceptable and the other not so much.

If you said that gangsta rap's origins are in Black thug hood culture, I think most people would find that just as acceptable, if not more acceptable, than saying the early internet was pale and male.

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

foobarbecue wrote: post #17
benj111 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a fact that early hip-hop is dominated by black people. If you made the same kind of comment in relation to that, would that not be deemed racist? Not that I think it is racist, I would prefer equality of standards though. Unfortunately currently one is deemed acceptable and the other not so much.

If you said that gangsta rap's origins are in Black thug hood culture, I think most people would find that just as acceptable, if not more acceptable, than saying the early internet was pale and male.

You couldnt say that shit if you were white without everyone getting their pitchforks out

Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by [deleted] »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #18
foobarbecue wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you said that gangsta rap's origins are in Black thug hood culture, I think most people would find that just as acceptable, if not more acceptable, than saying the early internet was pale and male.

You couldnt say that shit if you were white without everyone getting their pitchforks out

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Re: A newfound discomfort with hypertext

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Post by kixiQu »

kragen wrote: post #9

having this web page open made firefox continuously use 50% of my (four-core) cpu and increase my power consumption dramatically nothing visible on the page accounts for this

there's no long-running JS so nothing invisible really accounts for it either. is the background's SVG noise having difficulty rendering on your machine?
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