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Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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post #8

Stupid use of funds for the most part, it's not re-invested in the country, just the American stock market. It's not like they had to buy solid gold rolls royces, but there's no reinvestment internally other than oil and fish. Norway is a hedge fund with the F-35.

Using it internally would not be a good idea, though. That amount of money fueled directly into the economy would make our inflation even worse than it is.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

#12
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you plan to use instead of fossil fuels today?

In Norway and Sweden (shared grid): Primarily electric hydro + nuclear power. Wind power adds to the mix when it's windy - and it often is. (Here's the complete picture regarding the grid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continenta... ) There are power cables between RG Nordic and RG Continental Europe/RG Baltic/RG GB but to my knowledge they are all via high voltage DC - so not AC phase synced.

well today I learned something interesting: Norway and Sweden aren't on the big grid that covers most of Europe.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Two previous discussions from a 2009 ft.com article titled "The Iraqi who saved Norway from oil":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19594153 (347 points, 129 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28780108 (115 points, 81 comments)

Original 2009 article:

http://archive.today/2022.06.15-104752/https://www.ft.com/co...

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

#14
post #4

Disclosure: I'm a Swede who previously worked in various primarily Norwegian-owned software companies for two decades. I'm mostly happy about how it went. I also got some insights about Norway along the way via the 100+ trips to Oslo during that last decade when I had an engineering management role. That travel schedule was exhausting. My pet peeve about Norway and oil: How very few people ever call them out on being…

I agree, and have noticed that discrepancy, but I guess it is better than double dipping - profiting from environment-destroying products, and then investing those profits into environment-destroying products.

I can't really blame the Norwegians though - even if they care about the environment greatly, it would be hard for anyone to have a lifestyle based around their $250k income and to go back to a lifestyle based around having more normal $50k income.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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post #8

Stupid use of funds for the most part, it's not re-invested in the country, just the American stock market. It's not like they had to buy solid gold rolls royces, but there's no reinvestment internally other than oil and fish. Norway is a hedge fund with the F-35.

Using it internally would not be a good idea, though. That amount of money fueled directly into the economy would make our inflation even worse than it is.

I think this really highlights the attitude - don't invest money because it might harm the money. Money is for putting in foreign assets, so that rather than a large amount of money now, you can have a small trickle of money later.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

#16
post #8

Stupid use of funds for the most part, it's not re-invested in the country, just the American stock market. It's not like they had to buy solid gold rolls royces, but there's no reinvestment internally other than oil and fish. Norway is a hedge fund with the F-35.

I wish my country would make "stupid" investments to the tune of $250,000 per citizen set aside for a rainy day (or decade).

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

#17
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Norway and Sweden (shared grid): Primarily electric hydro + nuclear power. Wind power adds to the mix when it's windy - and it often is. (Here's the complete picture regarding the grid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continenta... ) There are power cables between RG Nordic and RG Continental Europe/RG Baltic/RG GB but to my knowledge they are all via high voltage DC - so not AC phase synced.

well today I learned something interesting: Norway and Sweden aren't on the big grid that covers most of Europe.

We (Norway) do have cables connecting us to UK and Europe. They've been a hot topic the last year with the high energy prices. We're making bank on selling our hydro power when gas got scarce. But that skyrocketed our own prices.

It's a difficult topic. It's probably a net win for Norway, as we can produce when price is high, and stop our hydro and import when prices are low. The problem is just that the benefit ends up making the government and the electric producers (again owned by government orgs mostly) rich, but us people have to pay more for our own energy use. So using that extra money earned to help the people is needed.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using it internally would not be a good idea, though. That amount of money fueled directly into the economy would make our inflation even worse than it is.

I think this really highlights the attitude - don't invest money because it might harm the money. Money is for putting in foreign assets, so that rather than a large amount of money now, you can have a small trickle of money later.

Rather so that you can have the "small trickle" perpetually.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

#20
post #8

Stupid use of funds for the most part, it's not re-invested in the country, just the American stock market. It's not like they had to buy solid gold rolls royces, but there's no reinvestment internally other than oil and fish. Norway is a hedge fund with the F-35.

I wish my country would make "stupid" investments to the tune of $250,000 per citizen set aside for a rainy day (or decade).

It's better than the poke in the eye, that's for sure, I just don't think it's optimal and I'm tired of the way this story gets trotted out every now and then. I think there's a middle ground between solid gold rocket cars and rainy-day austerity. Norway is quite under developed in many ways, many services you'd think would be better just aren't, once the oil gets switched off they don't have much modern industry as an alternative, which wouldn't be the problem if they spent some of the money to diversify.
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