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Heavier people should pay more to fly

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Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#11
There are many things that influence how much it costs to transport people or anything else-- including weather, how much taxiing is involved and the style of the pilot.

I am sure the airlines have taken this variability into account. No need to make ticket pricing even more elaborate than it already is.

If they start discounting for thin folks, then they'll be criticized if they adjust the ticket for bad weather conditions and/or lead-foot pilots as well.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#12
I'm 6'5", 275lbs. Fine, charge me more. But you better give me a seat that is reasonable for my body size. The width and leg room of coach seats today is completely absurd!

Part of the problem is that there is too big of a gap between coach and first. It's like having to choose between a Smart Car and an Escalade, when really all I need is a mid-priced sedan.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#13
post #5

Interesting that they don't mention luggage, which if we're talking about weight is a significant factor. For example, my wife weighs 105lbs but has been known to bring her weight in luggage (not kidding). I weigh 240lbs and usually bring a laptop and a couple changes of clothes in a small carry-on. Only way to implement this (unimplementable in reality) idea would be to charge for the total weight being transported,…

It's already quite common for airlines to charge based on weight of luggage (or at least set a limit beyond which you pay extra).

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

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post #10

The article seems to miss one key point that would make implementing this much more complex. While we have some control over our BMI (weight to height ratio) we don't have control over our height. I have two friends who are 5' tall and 6'5" tall. The 6'5" male, while still being quite fit, comes in at a solid 210-220 easy I'd guess, which would (under a 'weight only' policy) incur a surcharge for him. The 5'0" female…

Is BMI a relevant factor in this discussion? The author's point is that higher weight = higher cost of transportation due to fuel costs. If you're a tall person, it may not be your "fault" that you are heavier than average, but that doesn't change the fact that someone who weighs 200 lbs adds more to the fuel costs of a plane than someone who weighs 150 lbs.

The goal isn't to judge people based on whether they are "overweight" or such, but rather to institute a system that charges customers proportionally to the cost of transporting them.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

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post #10

The article seems to miss one key point that would make implementing this much more complex. While we have some control over our BMI (weight to height ratio) we don't have control over our height. I have two friends who are 5' tall and 6'5" tall. The 6'5" male, while still being quite fit, comes in at a solid 210-220 easy I'd guess, which would (under a 'weight only' policy) incur a surcharge for him. The 5'0" female…

Whether the weight comes from obesity or from simple body size has no effect on the cost-per-kg to transport someone by air. If you're 6'5'', you're transporting more mass - it's only fair to pay more, because it costs more to move you.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#16
post #10

The article seems to miss one key point that would make implementing this much more complex. While we have some control over our BMI (weight to height ratio) we don't have control over our height. I have two friends who are 5' tall and 6'5" tall. The 6'5" male, while still being quite fit, comes in at a solid 210-220 easy I'd guess, which would (under a 'weight only' policy) incur a surcharge for him. The 5'0" female…

We don't have control over our birth gender, age, country of origin or a large other myriad of factors that are used to calculate insurance premiums. Certain industries succeed in placing these kinds of discrimination on the consumer, others socialise it across their entire base.

The relatively small differences in cost may make it socially acceptable. A 6'5" person is probably already used to paying extra for reasonable leg-room.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#17
post #10

The article seems to miss one key point that would make implementing this much more complex. While we have some control over our BMI (weight to height ratio) we don't have control over our height. I have two friends who are 5' tall and 6'5" tall. The 6'5" male, while still being quite fit, comes in at a solid 210-220 easy I'd guess, which would (under a 'weight only' policy) incur a surcharge for him. The 5'0" female…

I too have friends in this category. I know really tall guys who are solid muscle and weigh a LOT. They're not fat at all but they are approaching the weight of two average people, easy.

What really astounds me, though, are skinny girls going away for three days but check-in TONS of luggage. It also is invariably over the weight limit and they end up paying excess.

Guys, on the other hand, take a tiny little rucksack on as hand luggage containing a clean shirt, a clean pair of kecks and their toothbrush for the same trip. It also means NO WAITING for luggage at the other end.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#18
post #10

The article seems to miss one key point that would make implementing this much more complex. While we have some control over our BMI (weight to height ratio) we don't have control over our height. I have two friends who are 5' tall and 6'5" tall. The 6'5" male, while still being quite fit, comes in at a solid 210-220 easy I'd guess, which would (under a 'weight only' policy) incur a surcharge for him. The 5'0" female…

Whether the weight comes from obesity or from simple body size has no effect on the cost-per-kg to transport someone by air. If you're 6'5'', you're transporting more mass - it's only fair to pay more, because it costs more to move you.

As someone who is 6'8", 310lbs and spent 12 hours flying last week, I would have to strongly disagree. Until airlines provide a means of adjusting available room to compensate for height, its not appropriate to charge taller people more at all.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

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post #12

I'm 6'5", 275lbs. Fine, charge me more. But you better give me a seat that is reasonable for my body size. The width and leg room of coach seats today is completely absurd! Part of the problem is that there is too big of a gap between coach and first. It's like having to choose between a Smart Car and an Escalade, when really all I need is a mid-priced sedan.

I paid $60 for extra leg room recently. It's a common option.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#20
The main rationalization for this kind of policy seems to be "we already pay for heavier luggage, so why not for heavier people as well?"

In my opinion, overweight costs for luggage have nothing to do with "fair price", but all with "profit maximization" - airlines have to offer some luggage allowance (either by law or to make people actually fly), but they know that many people are careless and will cross the limit. Therefore, they can freely charge them without stirring up too negative feelings about greed. But that's exactly what it is - it has nothing to do with actual costs. Ryanair and EasyJet (though especially RyanAir) earn huge amounts of money this way.

Allowing them to charge heavier people would just inspire more greedy behaviour.

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