This actually brings to mind a conversation I've been having with my buddies recently. Has there ever been a case of harm from AI misalignment?
Not some kind of speculative art exhibit, but real harm?
Misalignment Museum
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#12This actually brings to mind a conversation I've been having with my buddies recently. Has there ever been a case of harm from AI misalignment? Not some kind of speculative art exhibit, but real harm?
Yes, many cases
I.e. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/17/1005396/predicti...
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#13This actually brings to mind a conversation I've been having with my buddies recently. Has there ever been a case of harm from AI misalignment? Not some kind of speculative art exhibit, but real harm?
The problem with that is - until we have "true AGI" about which everybody agree it's "true AGI" - you can always dismiss deaths caused by software as "just a bug, not an AI safety problem".
For example when Tesla autopilot kills someone (which has happened).
https://impakter.com/tesla-autopilot-crashes-with-at-least-a...
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#14Wow, didn't expect my https://www.niche-museums.com/ website to show up on Hacker News! It's actually running on a templated instance of Datasette - try the "Use my location" button on the homepage to see tiny museums near you that I've been to.
Awww, unfortunately nothing in my country! I love going to weirdo museums. My favorites so far are the sardine can and the dredging museums.
Well those sound amazing! Where are they?
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#15This actually brings to mind a conversation I've been having with my buddies recently. Has there ever been a case of harm from AI misalignment? Not some kind of speculative art exhibit, but real harm?
Yes, many cases I.e. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/17/1005396/predicti...
I am familiar with this situation and agree it is a problem. But this is a deterministic, well known, algorithm rather than AI, isn't it? I would also say that this falls under bias rather than misalignment. I think bias is a much, much more realistic problem area than misalignment.
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#16Wow, didn't expect my https://www.niche-museums.com/ website to show up on Hacker News! It's actually running on a templated instance of Datasette - try the "Use my location" button on the homepage to see tiny museums near you that I've been to.
Is there a way to add entries to this collection, or do you only list museums you have been personally been at?
I ask because I tried look for listings of places I know well (e.g. Turin, Italy or Budapest, Hungary) and found that the closest entry was hundreds of miles away.
Turin has, for example, this: http://www.museodellafrutta.it/en/ which is pretty niche, imho. Budapest has a chocolate museum: https://www.csokolade-muzeum.hu/bemutatkozunk/ and so on...
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#17Wow, didn't expect my https://www.niche-museums.com/ website to show up on Hacker News! It's actually running on a templated instance of Datasette - try the "Use my location" button on the homepage to see tiny museums near you that I've been to.
you might want to add the Crime Museum [https://wien.kriminalmuseum.at/en/news/] and the Museum of Contraception and Abortion [https://www.muvs.org/en/] of Vienna, Austria
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#18This actually brings to mind a conversation I've been having with my buddies recently. Has there ever been a case of harm from AI misalignment? Not some kind of speculative art exhibit, but real harm?
The problem with that is - until we have "true AGI" about which everybody agree it's "true AGI" - you can always dismiss deaths caused by software as "just a bug, not an AI safety problem". For example when Tesla autopilot kills someone (which has happened). https://impakter.com/tesla-autopilot-crashes-with-at-least-a...
I guess maybe one could make that argument, but the majority of AI alignment concerns seem more along the lines of skynet level scenarios.
The paperclip optimizer could be called a "bug" I guess. But the comparison to Tesla autopilot is interesting. First, is anyone calling that an AI? Second, when an objective baseline comparison to human drivers is possible, shouldn't that determine whether the AI is a net benefit or loss? And then (assuming a benefit) we can say with some degree of confidence that the AI is not malicious?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, many cases I.e. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/17/1005396/predicti...
I am familiar with this situation and agree it is a problem. But this is a deterministic, well known, algorithm rather than AI, isn't it? I would also say that this falls under bias rather than misalignment. I think bias is a much, much more realistic problem area than misalignment.
This is exactly what I'm talking about in the other response to your previous comment. The joke goes "AI ceases to be AI when we start to understand how it works".
But it doesn't matter if you call the software that kills us all "conscious AI that was misaligned" or if it was "deterministic code that had a bug" - the underlying problem that we're all dead remains the same. We're just arguing about labels instead of issues.
The AI that kills us all (if this happens) will very likely be a simple, deterministic algorithm that ran on A LOT of data.
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#20to kill humanity first it must already exist
in my opinion our efforts at being humane have not yet risen to our ability to imagine humanity
I do not think that AI will help in our efforts to create humanity but will rather enhance the negative aspects of our already harsh nature