Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another tool will just take it's place. It's too useful
if fair use doesn't apply to training... what would it be trained on? Microsoft's code base? who the hell would pay for that?
How ChatGPT is changing the job hiring process, from the HR department to coders
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Re: How ChatGPT is changing the job hiring process, from the HR department to coders
#12Didn’t even get a phone interview.
I really don’t care though because coding tests are usually a silly waste of time and I’ve had my time completely burned by employers wanting coding tests to which they reply either nothing at all, or some one liner like “we didn’t like it”.
If you DO are coding test, agree to it only on condition they supply your their assessment methodology first …. a request to which very few employers would respond.
Coding tests are mostly arbitrary, meaningless, unscientific and evaluate nothing real world.
I say refuse coding tests and go to another employer.
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#13It does seem somewhat hard to imagine being employed as a SWE in 5 years without being proficient in incorporating some sort of generative AI into your work. Edited to include “in 5 years”
There is no reason to believe that the large (language/multimodal) models will stop progressing. In six months the IQ of ChatGPT increased by 30-40 points. If we pretend that these things are linear, (so far they are actually exponential) then that's a 430 IQ in five years. Assuming the acceleration of progress entirely stops and just increases linearly from here on out.
There are quite a few people that think this stuff can easily become millions of times smarter. I am doubtful of that in the short term, because I think there are practical limits to compression, but you have to admit that multiple orders of magnitude increases in speed, data size, and efficiency are very plausible. Especially as new compute-in-memory systems start to roll out which is feasible in five years.
The non-conservative and increasingly popular belief is that these systems will be hundreds of times faster than humans and fully autonomous within a few years. Which seems extremely foolhardy but also the most likely path due to the inability of society to recognize and adapt to the real danger with enough nuance.
So I am wondering if there will be any jobs for any people at that point unless the AI is deeply integrated into their brain.
Re: How ChatGPT is changing the job hiring process, from the HR department to coders
#14It does seem somewhat hard to imagine being employed as a SWE in 5 years without being proficient in incorporating some sort of generative AI into your work. Edited to include “in 5 years”
It's questionable that there will be many jobs that are very similar at all to SWE of today in five years. There is no reason to believe that the large (language/multimodal) models will stop progressing. In six months the IQ of ChatGPT increased by 30-40 points. If we pretend that these things are linear, (so far they are actually exponential) then that's a 430 IQ in five years. Assuming the acceleration of progress…
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#15I did a coding test with ChatGPT and supplied the prompt plus a screencast of me doing the coding test with ChatGPT. Didn’t even get a phone interview. I really don’t care though because coding tests are usually a silly waste of time and I’ve had my time completely burned by employers wanting coding tests to which they reply either nothing at all, or some one liner like “we didn’t like it”. If you DO are coding test,…
When I interviewed at my current employer they made it very clear that the take home was meant as a conversation starter, and everyone who gets a take-home made it to the on-site (virtual in this case since its a remote role). This removed the guess work into whether the test will be a waste of time, as there was a guaranteed on-site interview. The test itself was also a more accurate representation of a simpler version of problems that the team was working on, as opposed to a generic algorithm problem.
Overall this was the most positive interview loop I've ever bene through, and was a big factor in making a decision to say yes to the job offer.
Re: How ChatGPT is changing the job hiring process, from the HR department to coders
#16It does seem somewhat hard to imagine being employed as a SWE in 5 years without being proficient in incorporating some sort of generative AI into your work. Edited to include “in 5 years”
It's questionable that there will be many jobs that are very similar at all to SWE of today in five years. There is no reason to believe that the large (language/multimodal) models will stop progressing. In six months the IQ of ChatGPT increased by 30-40 points. If we pretend that these things are linear, (so far they are actually exponential) then that's a 430 IQ in five years. Assuming the acceleration of progress…
Re: How ChatGPT is changing the job hiring process, from the HR department to coders
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's questionable that there will be many jobs that are very similar at all to SWE of today in five years. There is no reason to believe that the large (language/multimodal) models will stop progressing. In six months the IQ of ChatGPT increased by 30-40 points. If we pretend that these things are linear, (so far they are actually exponential) then that's a 430 IQ in five years. Assuming the acceleration of progress…
The only counterpoint I have is that it seems the gpt models have trained on most available information on the Internet. So what’s the future progress there exactly.
I think that would be about five times faster than a human.
But there is more data. Do you really think they have ingested every single YouTube video or movie? Video and video+transcription is the next thing.
Another source of data could be to have the models study and reprocess information into more concise language (possibly new vocabulary) or diagrams with the goal of increasing levels of abstraction or information density.
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#18It does seem somewhat hard to imagine being employed as a SWE in 5 years without being proficient in incorporating some sort of generative AI into your work. Edited to include “in 5 years”
Especially when tools like ChatGPT replace StackOverflow. Or augment SO, if Stack Exchange is IMO forward-thinking enough.
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#19I did a coding test with ChatGPT and supplied the prompt plus a screencast of me doing the coding test with ChatGPT. Didn’t even get a phone interview. I really don’t care though because coding tests are usually a silly waste of time and I’ve had my time completely burned by employers wanting coding tests to which they reply either nothing at all, or some one liner like “we didn’t like it”. If you DO are coding test,…
“We just want to see how you think”
really meaning they wanted unit tests, client side caching, and a particular design pattern
or really meaning they didn't want you to go outside the scope
or really meaning that they didn't even know that budget for their whole department could be revoked, so you wasted your time even if the single gatekeeper didn’t arbitrarily move the goal posts on you
in my experience, nobody can even tell you the details of what the “technical assessment“ will be, I’ve expected coderpads and instead gotten surprise screen sharing requests for using my own IDE, requiring an environment that isn’t even currently set up on that computer if I normally use a work laptop for the last who knows how long. I’ve NEVER seen a takehome project have some clear prewritten unit tests that the outcome had to conform to, I don't think this is a realistic request in this day and age.
Re: How ChatGPT is changing the job hiring process, from the HR department to coders
#20Recently had to hire a new dev, and one of the submissions used chatGPT to generate a solution for our take-home test. The really clever thing was, they did a line by line breakdown of the solution chatGPT came up with, keeping certain parts and throwing out others, giving reasons why each part deserved to stay or be tossed. Then they wrote a second solution incorporating parts of the first and their own original cod…
so at what point does your in person interview become the problem? what is the line for you when the day to day doesn't involve unassisted time trials, but instead requires code reviews of assisted work and code reviews of colleagues work
in-person interview can give you some insight into what it might be like to work with a person day to day, it has more value than a take-home test in a lot of ways.