Flagged: worthless study. Look at the methodology.
Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
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Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#12As an example, take a look at the difference in attire between men’s and women’s volleyball and beach volleyball. Also men’s and women’s track.
I don't understand why this has to be a gender issue, when there's such an obvious solution: Just don't have rules on uniforms at all: Prescribe team colors and let athletes pick whatever style of apparel they want. Body image issues apply to both genders.
As someone who doesn't watch volleyball, my only association with men and volleyball is the volleyball scene in Top Gun, which, in my perception, is actually a great example of how men, too, are sometimes sexually objectified in the media. It's just that men being sexually objectified has different cultural connotations, which makes it less of an issue for men.
Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#13So, how many swimmers were included in this survey, or was that category excluded?
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#14Something people don't consider is that studies often are cherry picked. Meaning if they don't got the result they want, they will discard the study and you will never hear about it. Drug studies can be fudged this way. They can do 100 studies, disregard 99, and report on the 1 that seemed most promising. Academic fudging is real. I think something like half academic papers can't be reproduced. Imagine the low standa…
No no, you have to understand: the Scientists said this. We simply must Trust the Science. What, are you anti-Science?
Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#15While the result may still be true, this methodology seems quite useless to me. The methodology included: "In total, three-quarters of survey respondents replied ‘often’, ‘many’ and ‘sometimes’, when asked if participants ever saw girls stop playing sport because of sports kit or body image concerns." Part of the study involved asking people whether they thought other people quit sports because of sports kit or body…
> This research used a mixed-methods approach, gaining both qualitative and quantitative data from an 18+ female-only online analytical survey gaining over 400 responses, followed-up with 8 semi-structured interviews with women aged 18–24. The choice of mixed-methods was first to gain the value of qualitative methods in attaining first-hand perspectives and multiple-truths. Secondly, gaining quantitative data were im…
I don’t think it’s sad for someone undertaking a study of behavior to call out their own biases and to better account for how they structured the study so that later investigations could build upon or challenge aspects of that.
It’s like being given the source code for a solution vs. getting the code and all of the dependencies and tooling used. Both provide the same information, but one is reproducible.
Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#16Something people don't consider is that studies often are cherry picked. Meaning if they don't got the result they want, they will discard the study and you will never hear about it. Drug studies can be fudged this way. They can do 100 studies, disregard 99, and report on the 1 that seemed most promising. Academic fudging is real. I think something like half academic papers can't be reproduced. Imagine the low standa…
> Meaning if they don't got the result they want, they will discard the study and you will never hear about it. Drug studies can be fudged this way.
You picked exactly that one field of science where this can't happen. At least in the EU (and US, according to Wikipedia), clinical trials have to be registered before conducting the actual research, so they can't be discarded if not successful.
Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#17While the result may still be true, this methodology seems quite useless to me. The methodology included: "In total, three-quarters of survey respondents replied ‘often’, ‘many’ and ‘sometimes’, when asked if participants ever saw girls stop playing sport because of sports kit or body image concerns." Part of the study involved asking people whether they thought other people quit sports because of sports kit or body…
> This research used a mixed-methods approach, gaining both qualitative and quantitative data from an 18+ female-only online analytical survey gaining over 400 responses, followed-up with 8 semi-structured interviews with women aged 18–24. The choice of mixed-methods was first to gain the value of qualitative methods in attaining first-hand perspectives and multiple-truths. Secondly, gaining quantitative data were im…
None of that looks unreasonable to me.
Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#18As an example, take a look at the difference in attire between men’s and women’s volleyball and beach volleyball. Also men’s and women’s track.
> men’s and women’s volleyball and beach volleyball
As a former volleyball and beach volley professional player, albeit not at the highest levels: this is a false argument and often in bad faith.
There have been drastic changes over the decades in the volleyball uniforms, especially for women.
Sport gear evolved enormously, female players in the late 80s (the oldest I can remember watching in person) wore bodysuits similar to those gymnasts use and a t-shirt on that. Now they wear much longer shorts, like swimmers do. Men wore very short shorts, compared to the NBA style that they use now.
The attire has always been fit to the body to avoid involuntary net invasions.
There was a time when the players used baggy uniforms and it caused a lot of issues.
Men now wear skintight sleeveless t-shirt (almost tank tops) because they cause less friction on the shoulders. They are also required to tuck them in, again, to avoid fouls.
Nowadays the two uniforms are very similar, except the shorts, because men genitalia are different from women's, and, especially, if it's about people jumping up and down constantly, you do not want to show too clearly what's actually happening down there in television.
Beach volley it's another story entirely, when the sport started on California beaches players dressed in the surfer's fashion, men and women alike.
Soon women realized that having the literal sand in your unders during a game is quite uncomfortable and opted for more succinct swimsuits, where less sand could deposit, while men where stuck with their surf shorts, because, again, men in speedos jumping up and down and rolling in the sand, is not exactly viewer advisory safe.
To put it in another way, players could go and wear whatever they like, but rest assured that uniforms are designed to maximize performances, not looks.
There's a reason why full body swimsuits are banned from professional swimming competitions, and it's not because "someone in charge" wants to show more naked skin to the audience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer
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Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#19Something people don't consider is that studies often are cherry picked. Meaning if they don't got the result they want, they will discard the study and you will never hear about it. Drug studies can be fudged this way. They can do 100 studies, disregard 99, and report on the 1 that seemed most promising. Academic fudging is real. I think something like half academic papers can't be reproduced. Imagine the low standa…
> Meaning if they don't got the result they want, they will discard the study and you will never hear about it. Drug studies can be fudged this way. You picked exactly that one field of science where this can't happen. At least in the EU (and US, according to Wikipedia), clinical trials have to be registered before conducting the actual research, so they can't be discarded if not successful.
This is sort of true, sort of not. The primary investigator who registers a clinical trial is obligated to report the results back to the registry. But if they get a negative result, they are still going to have a hard time finding a decent scientific journal that's willing to publish it. And an unpublished result isn't going to have nearly the visibility that a published result does.
Re: Gendered uniforms lead to high dropout rates of teenage girls in sport: research
#201.) Are there any cases of girls asking their coach for a different style uniform and being denied?
2.) Is there evidence to show which percentage of players preferred the current fashion style compared to a different one?
I know the sport is different but I was a swimmer and I had to wear speedos. Essentially water resistant underwear. I had teammates of every shape and size. Yeah sure some people got to be known for having larger bulges in the breast or groin areas but not in anyway that was hyper focused on or put down any other teammates. Also, you wear it in front of tons of people at competitons. If there was discomfort there, it was very much a personal decision and not the environment of the sport. Everyone had to learn to be comfortable in their own skin. And the hard work of the sport actually desensitized us to it.
If the author doesn't like the current team uniforms, seems to me the option is to encourage multiple uniform types. I honestly don't see the value here in dragging it into some sort attack on society.