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Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by taeric » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:43 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #5

It's very weird how the conclusion of many of these studies are "Men with 1 drink a day, we see no difference. Women with 1 drink a day die sooner". What makes the effect so different?

My gut would be sheer size of the person? Though, there are obviously a multitude of things that could be different.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by aspyct » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:44 PM UTC

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #4

Everyone on this topic seems to have their own studies to back polar opposite conclusions. Canada is going the opposite direction[0], taking the position that "no amount of alcohol is safe to consume". [0] https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/what-you-should-know-about-can...

So basically we still understand nothing about nutrition.

Not like that's new...

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by kosolam » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:45 PM UTC

I read it “not associated with increased morality”..

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by loufe » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:45 PM UTC

I find headlines like this unbelievable. Of course adding poison to your body is unhealthy and will affect mortality. The Canadian and WHO statements make intrinsic sense, it isn't quite smoking, but let's not fool ourselves about what we're doing. I'm still going to consume alcohol, but I'm not going to deceive myself about it negatively impacting my health, regardless of the conclusion of yet another meta-analysis (coffee has had countless, many with conclusions which are polar opposites).

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Post by GalenErso » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:45 PM UTC

luckman212 wrote: post #8

So which one is it then? a) low volume alcohol consumption does not INCREASE all-cause mortality rate b) low volume alcohol consumption does not DECREASE all-cause mortality rate c) both A & B

d) Schrödinger's malt: the effect of low volume alcohol on all-cause mortality rates cannot be predicted and must be observed upon the death of the subject

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by chrisfosterelli » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:46 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #5

It's very weird how the conclusion of many of these studies are "Men with 1 drink a day, we see no difference. Women with 1 drink a day die sooner". What makes the effect so different?

Average body mass would be my guess.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by graderjs » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

Ethanol has been part of human culture for...ever...so would it hard for us so greatly if we did a massive study like:

"Province Alphaville" in the High French Speaking part of Canada, has a vote and decides to go "alcohol free" for the next 30 years. Province consents to cross-sectionally divide itself for controls into sub-cohorts, where: Cohort A - has legal access to psychedelics, B - to marijuana, C - to something else TBA, D - to no intoxicants not even tobacco. And we just observe over time. Surely some place in the world / large enough group of people would be willing to sort themselves like this. Then with a large and diverse enough population I think we can clearly get some good data and mostly lay the question to rest as to the "health effects" of chronic use of various intoxicants/inebrients/entheogens/empathogens/whatevers :) ;P xx ;p

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Post by orcajerk » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #5

It's very weird how the conclusion of many of these studies are "Men with 1 drink a day, we see no difference. Women with 1 drink a day die sooner". What makes the effect so different?

Women cannot process alcohol as quickly as men.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by kevinmchugh » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

loeg wrote: post #7

> There was a significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among female drinkers who drank 25 or more grams [of ethanol] per day and among male drinkers who drank 45 or more grams per day. 25 g is about 32 mL; 45 g => 57 mL. At 80 proof (40% ABV), that's 80 mL (2.7 US fl oz) or 143 mL (4.8 US fl oz) of liquor. A shot glass is ~1.5 US fl oz. (Or 640-1140mL => 22-39 fl oz of 5% beer, for women and men respective…

This is a much higher lower limit than I expected

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Post by 55555 » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

There are studies showing that moderate drinking is fine, and there are studies showing moderate drinking is detrimental, but the trillion-dollar alcohol industry is only funding one of those sets of studies.