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Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by rhaway84773 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #2

In the age of broadband internet mobile phones, in the most “advanced” country in the world with the most “qualified” people, it took 45min+ to verify if they have illegally detained the right person or not? A simple call to a supervisor to confirm if the role player is who they are talking should have fixed this in less than 2min.

I think that just means it took them over 35-40 mins to even realize they might have the wrong person.

Which ironically goes to prove that their interrogation tactics are basically crap, considering it took over 40 mins to realize they got the wrong person.

Which is not surprising at all, because it really does seem US law enforcement agencies seem to base their tactics more on shows like 24 as opposed to what actually works (I’ve had a conversation with a hostage specialist trainer, and the most shocking part to me was when he told me they spend almost no time on de-escalation training).

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by lotsofpulp »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #11
lotsofpulp wrote: post #2

In the age of broadband internet mobile phones, in the most “advanced” country in the world with the most “qualified” people, it took 45min+ to verify if they have illegally detained the right person or not? A simple call to a supervisor to confirm if the role player is who they are talking should have fixed this in less than 2min.

I think that just means it took them over 35-40 mins to even realize they might have the wrong person. Which ironically goes to prove that their interrogation tactics are basically crap, considering it took over 40 mins to realize they got the wrong person. Which is not surprising at all, because it really does seem US law enforcement agencies seem to base their tactics more on shows like 24 as opposed to what actual…

The victim is a pilot, it is safe to assume they spoke English and told the agents they are mistaken immediately when they woke him up.

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by rasz »

"FBI and the US Army Special Operations Command" .. "in the shower"

so US citizen detained and waterboarded by US army personnel on US soil. Posse Comitatus Act, Detainee Treatment Act, Eighth Amendment, Section 2340A of Title 18. The list goes on and on.

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #12
rhaway84773 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that just means it took them over 35-40 mins to even realize they might have the wrong person. Which ironically goes to prove that their interrogation tactics are basically crap, considering it took over 40 mins to realize they got the wrong person. Which is not surprising at all, because it really does seem US law enforcement agencies seem to base their tactics more on shows like 24 as opposed to what actual…

The victim is a pilot, it is safe to assume they spoke English and told the agents they are mistaken immediately when they woke him up.

Which is just what the perp would say! /s

But seriously, if that's what the training is supposed to be... Not that it's justified (it's not, in my opinion) but at least more understandable in this case.

(Obviously the problem is "what the training is supposed to be".)

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by monkeywork »

rasz wrote: post #13

"FBI and the US Army Special Operations Command" .. "in the shower" so US citizen detained and waterboarded by US army personnel on US soil. Posse Comitatus Act, Detainee Treatment Act, Eighth Amendment, Section 2340A of Title 18. The list goes on and on.

Detained yes, waterboarded is a big jump. In most hotels the bathroom is the most secure room, no windows, one point of ingress egress, quick and easy to search for weapons, etc.

I suspect bathroom is likely sop for securing a target.

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by lotsofpulp »

firstlink wrote: post #15

It reflects very poorly on the hotel that they allow military and paramilitary agents of a rogue third-world government to conduct "training exercises" on guests. I certainly wouldn't stay at the Revere Hotel.

I would not expect a $20/hour worker to challenge the authority of a group of FBI agents. Nor would I expect them to know the ins and outs of when a warrant is required and when it is not.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/warrant/are-police-allowed...

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by im3w1l »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #14
lotsofpulp wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The victim is a pilot, it is safe to assume they spoke English and told the agents they are mistaken immediately when they woke him up.

Which is just what the perp would say! /s But seriously, if that's what the training is supposed to be... Not that it's justified (it's not, in my opinion) but at least more understandable in this case. (Obviously the problem is "what the training is supposed to be".)

Maybe they should use a danger word, one that has to be spoken to signal everything's fine.

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by sorokod »

henriquez wrote: post #5

I’m curious as to the details to why the interrogators “put him in the shower?” Are we bringing back waterboarding? Why did EMTs need to respond when it became clear they had the wrong person? And what hotel would allow loud FBI door-banging “training courses” in the middle of the night? It’s not plausible as the FBI’s in-house training facilities are pretty advanced. In short this sounds like a cover up, at the very…

Sounds like the training exercise during the "Ryazan Sugar" incident.

Re: Federal agents enter wrong Boston hotel room, interrogated man during training

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Post by more_corn »

These people obviously failed agent training. Hopefully they washed out and their supervisor with them.

Getting the right hotel room is like thing one. Figuring out you got the wrong guy is thing two.

Basically they’ve proven that they’re not suited to work in the FBI.

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