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Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

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Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#11
Solving the "direct from wholesaler" for American made goods is a monster opportunity.

$65 is a lot more reasonable that $155 and I'd buy twice as many at that price ;)

Etsy comes close but a startup that focused on a niche and curating quality could be a fun and profitable challenge.

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#12
post #5

So they've described how American Apparel makes their $45 polo shirts. But they haven't described how $30 of materials becomes worth $155.

In clothing there is a standard wholesale markup, which is 2.0-2.5 of manf costs, and a standard retail markup which is again 2.2-2.5 of wholesale cost. This means that they are selling it to the retailers at around 60 bucks or so, and then the retailer is selling it for 155. The 30 dollars provides money for rent, warehousing, salary etc for the brand/wholeseller. For the retailer it does the same. Retailers also se…

>The 30 dollars provides money for rent, warehousing, salary etc for the brand/wholeseller. For the retailer it does the same.

Fine, but they're shipping them out of their living-room.

The article would have been greatly improved if it gave a typical breakdown for those prices as well.

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#13
So these will popup online for about $85 to $95. No matter how good the service is I doubt going forward you will get a lot of volume at that type of retail price. Retail cosmetics is really feeling this as people now refuse to pay what is probably a similar markup.

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

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post #5

So they've described how American Apparel makes their $45 polo shirts. But they haven't described how $30 of materials becomes worth $155.

In clothing there is a standard wholesale markup, which is 2.0-2.5 of manf costs, and a standard retail markup which is again 2.2-2.5 of wholesale cost. This means that they are selling it to the retailers at around 60 bucks or so, and then the retailer is selling it for 155. The 30 dollars provides money for rent, warehousing, salary etc for the brand/wholeseller. For the retailer it does the same. Retailers also se…

I guess this explains how JCPenny can set their standard price at 40% off list (as mentioned in recent discussions).

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#15

I used to work in a clothing store and the markups on clothing, especially more fashionable items, never ceases to amaze me. Unfortunately, this article didn't really get into most of it. They explained why the shirt cost $29 to make as opposed to $1-2 for a cheap shirt from China. What I find fascinating, is how we get from $29 to $155 at the store, or $2 to $30 for a cheaper shirt. The vast majority of the cost of…

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Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#16

The hardest thing is logistics: delivering product orders on time as a small brand which outsources manufacturing is really hard. Big retailers, like Nordstrom or Macy's will give you a window of a week (maximum) and will not accept your orders if it goes over. Conversely, they also have set packaging and other compliance related requirements which will increase the cost / item. In particular they have these ERP syst…

In particular they have these ERP systems that small brands cannot afford. Smaller brands end up outsourcing being plugged into their ERP systems as well which will also increase the cost of the article.

This sounds interesting, can you shine some more light on it?

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#17
post #11

Solving the "direct from wholesaler" for American made goods is a monster opportunity. $65 is a lot more reasonable that $155 and I'd buy twice as many at that price ;) Etsy comes close but a startup that focused on a niche and curating quality could be a fun and profitable challenge.

If you'd buy twice as many at $65 than at $155, then you've just proven why, to maximize profit, they should be selling it at $155 instead of $65. 155n vs 130n is pretty straightforward, and the point of luxury brands is that not everyone is wearing them.

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#18
post #6

I have a few Polo (Ralph Lauren) shirts that i wear that I bought in the very late 90s. I'm not saying that the 300+% markup is valid, but I've worn a shirt in three different decades.

When shopping for a washing machine, I found some articles that claimed that the reason that Americans buy so many clothes and find that they don't last as much as the rest of the world, is because:

1) they use top-loading washing machines

2) they use dryers

or even worse washing-drying combinated.

While I don't doubt that Polo chooses good cloth, it's standard here in Uruguay for clothes to last that long. I've inherited a lot of clothes from my father, and have tons of clothes to give away that are in reasonably good condition.

The reason is that they've been either hand-washed, or washed in a front-loading machine at a low temperature, and then dried in a clothesline (I've never owned a clothes dryer).

For example, this article claims that clothes washed on a front-loading washing machine last longer:

http://www.networx.com/article/choosing-a-washing-machine-to...

Edit: U$ 500 for the cheapest front-loaders? I bought mine for U$ 200 (not in the U.S. obviously, but with the humungous Uruguayan import taxes).

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#19
post #6

I have a few Polo (Ralph Lauren) shirts that i wear that I bought in the very late 90s. I'm not saying that the 300+% markup is valid, but I've worn a shirt in three different decades.

When shopping for a washing machine, I found some articles that claimed that the reason that Americans buy so many clothes and find that they don't last as much as the rest of the world, is because: 1) they use top-loading washing machines 2) they use dryers or even worse washing-drying combinated. While I don't doubt that Polo chooses good cloth, it's standard here in Uruguay for clothes to last that long. I've inhe…

This sounds like a huge waste of labor. Suppose making a shirt (of whatever sort of cloth) takes 5 hours of labor.

If you hand wash and line dry, suppose that's 5 minutes of labor per wearing. If you wear the shirt every week for 10 years, that's 43 hours of labor on washing for 10 years worth of shirt. It would only take 25 hours of labor (compare to 48) to buy a new shirt every 2 years.

And this also assumes your time is equally valuable to the time of the guy making the shirt - I consider my time to be worth far more than $5-15/day.

Re: Polo Puzzle: What Goes Into a $155 Price Tag?

#20
There have been quite a few of these "price debunking" articles in the past year, as if we all finally figured out that we're getting screwed. Software's markup is similarly ludicrous, since there's very little variable cost to serving up extra copies--even with cloud-based systems.

Another one on $550 chinos: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/fashion/29ROW.html

Also, anyone else find this "killer app" notion in clothing to be funny? It's like Bonobos claiming they've solved the "saggy butt problem" with a "curved waistband." Genius!

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