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Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! No. There's plenty of companies hiring everywhere. SWEs will not be unemployed. It's probably tough only if you expect to still make post-pandemic boom Google TC and perks at Google WLB. Which is why it's wise to avoid lifestyle inflation. If you ever land a lucrative job during a boom, don't expect it to last forever and start buying Ferrar…

What is "TC"?

Total Compensation

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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These people seem out of touch.

> "It has been difficult for those involved. We have a redundancy process for a reason, so that employees can make their voice heard," they said. "But it feels as if our concerns have fallen on deaf ears."

They’re doing layoffs. In what scenario does negative feedback from employees change the minds of management? “Oh shit we didn’t know this negatively impacted you all. My bad.”

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! No. There's plenty of companies hiring everywhere. SWEs will not be unemployed. It's probably tough only if you expect to still make post-pandemic boom Google TC and perks at Google WLB. Which is why it's wise to avoid lifestyle inflation. If you ever land a lucrative job during a boom, don't expect it to last forever and start buying Ferrar…

What is "TC"?

Possibly “total compensation”

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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These people seem out of touch. > "It has been difficult for those involved. We have a redundancy process for a reason, so that employees can make their voice heard," they said. "But it feels as if our concerns have fallen on deaf ears." They’re doing layoffs. In what scenario does negative feedback from employees change the minds of management? “Oh shit we didn’t know this negatively impacted you all. My bad.”

>These people seem out of touch.

Earning wages way above average does do that to some people.

In my home country I'd estimate 3/4 tech workers are completely out of touch with the harsh reality most people live in, and because of this, nobody will shed a tear for highly paid tech workers loosing their jobs.

They'll be fine though, they'll find other jobs.

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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That is their right, of course. Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! Usually moving on from Google would have been a non-issue to find a new job.

>Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! No. There's plenty of companies hiring everywhere. SWEs will not be unemployed. It's probably tough only if you expect to still make post-pandemic boom Google TC and perks at Google WLB. Which is why it's wise to avoid lifestyle inflation. If you ever land a lucrative job during a boom, don't expect it to last forever and start buying Ferrar…

Wise words for sure. That sports car is almost never as rewarding as you think it'll be, but not stressing about money surely is.

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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The article doesn't mention any specific concerns. Anyone have more info?

The union that organized the protest have a press release: https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2023/april/go...

It seems the primary complaint is that Google is having one-on-one meetings and not allowing employees to have a union representative with them, or any support person at all unless they have a doctors note.

There's other complaints as well around how the company is handling reimbursement of legal expenses for laid off employees who want to get legal advice before signing the settlement agreement.

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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These people seem out of touch. > "It has been difficult for those involved. We have a redundancy process for a reason, so that employees can make their voice heard," they said. "But it feels as if our concerns have fallen on deaf ears." They’re doing layoffs. In what scenario does negative feedback from employees change the minds of management? “Oh shit we didn’t know this negatively impacted you all. My bad.”

There have been several layers to the criticism. The first is roughly why does a company with many billions in the bank need to lay off anyone. However, assuming that layoffs do need to happen, there has been a lot more criticism of how they were conducted.

In the UK there is, in summary, a right to a fair process – where _roles_ are eliminated, not _people_. That when there aren't enough roles for the people left, they are selected for layoffs in a fair way with transparency on how choices were made. And finally, that when someone is laid off, that they are treated with respect and, for example, allowed legal representation in their meetings with the company.

Unfortunately there have been issues with all of these steps in the UK redundancy process. I don't want to go into detail in public, but there are multiple, very specific points on which employees feel that necessary standards have not been met.

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! No. There's plenty of companies hiring everywhere. SWEs will not be unemployed. It's probably tough only if you expect to still make post-pandemic boom Google TC and perks at Google WLB. Which is why it's wise to avoid lifestyle inflation. If you ever land a lucrative job during a boom, don't expect it to last forever and start buying Ferrar…

Wise words for sure. That sports car is almost never as rewarding as you think it'll be, but not stressing about money surely is.

The cost of a sports/luxury car seems reasonable, esp for a high income earner, maybe 30-50% more than something more modest. But the upkeep is literally insane. A brake job on an Audi can cost 3-4x that of a Honda. Oil changes can be 2-3x.

Re: Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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An effective strategy to avoid layoffs at European offices is to cause just enough friction to get HR to give up and divert the firing to lower-rights countries (i.e. USA).

There's a short-term effect there that might be positive, but a long-term effect that would be negative.

There's a reason that a lot of companies won't hire in France or other specific locales where the difficulty in getting out of an employment relationship is so high that it makes it undesirable to get into that relationship in the first place.

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