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Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia.

The people critical of Putin and who are in Russia, and the people who don’t want to be a part of the war and who are in Russia would probably appreciate being able to more easily leave.

What do you mean when you say “vulnerable?” Is it just verbal flourish?

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. The people critical of Putin and who are in Russia, and the people who don’t want to be a part of the war and who are in Russia would probably appreciate being able to more easily leave. What do you mean when you say “vulnerable?” Is it just verbal f…

vulnerable as in "prone to defenestration"

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. The people critical of Putin and who are in Russia, and the people who don’t want to be a part of the war and who are in Russia would probably appreciate being able to more easily leave. What do you mean when you say “vulnerable?” Is it just verbal f…

Well those who have left are effectively stranded where they are, unless they want to return. If you left as mobilisation was announced and you're in Georgia or Armenia right now you likely do not have permanent residency - many applied and few got it. So you have a temporary visa on which the clock is ticking. If you want to go to the UK or Germany you'd have to return and apply for a suitable visa in the embassy in Russia. One good change in this specific case would involve permitting Russian citizens to apply abroad - at the UK embassy in Yerevan or Tbilisi (or wherever).

And those who haven't left, I'm sure there are ways they can be assisted too that we should also do. I'm not sure why "let's help this group" keeps getting interpreted as "let's punish this other group" :-/

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. The people critical of Putin and who are in Russia, and the people who don’t want to be a part of the war and who are in Russia would probably appreciate being able to more easily leave. What do you mean when you say “vulnerable?” Is it just verbal f…

> The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia.

Many of them are in countries that are happy to give Putin anyone he wants. A lot of political activists and detectors get deported back to prison.

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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post #9

I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

> but if someone does make it to the UK ... we should help them do so.

Didn't brexit happen exactly to fight that ?

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. The people critical of Putin and who are in Russia, and the people who don’t want to be a part of the war and who are in Russia would probably appreciate being able to more easily leave. What do you mean when you say “vulnerable?” Is it just verbal f…

I have a Russian friend working in IT in Poland and he fears deportation.

Unfortunately these things are reportedly happening, the sentiment should be anti-Putin but ends up being anti-Russian, mostly thanks to Russians like these: https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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post #18
post #9

I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

> but if someone does make it to the UK ... we should help them do so. Didn't brexit happen exactly to fight that ?

Only the less wealthy Russians. Wealthy Russians are generally welcomed, especially if they can make some suitable donations to politicians.
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