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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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No doubt there's a real underlying problem here. The abuse of comparison doesn't help anything though. I'd guess (but it's a guess) that average american life expectancy is going down because of some demographics who have it really bad (opioid users eg). That's an acute problem that has no meaning when averaged with everything else. Quoting averages makes it seem like there's some sort of broad malaise as opposed to…

Also, we have really expensive healthcare, so preventative medicine and recovery type treatment is not done nearly as much as other countries I suspect. You'd think something would change after the massive cracks in the system revealed to everybody by COVID, but it didn't.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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I'm not surprised at all. If you compare individual US states to other countries, some parts of the US south have worse healthcare systems than third-world nations. The US is by far the worst health country in the OECD.

At the same time US government spends the most in the world on socialized healthcare.

Of course they do. Just look at how that entire system is set up. It’s very clearly a for profit driven industry first and foremost and a healthcare system in a very distant second place.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised at all. If you compare individual US states to other countries, some parts of the US south have worse healthcare systems than third-world nations. The US is by far the worst health country in the OECD.

At the same time US government spends the most in the world on socialized healthcare.

The US government spends the most in the world on subsidizing corporations for healthcare. There is nothing "socialized" about it. The public in general gets very little of that benefit. And that holds true even if you include Medicare.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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"1 in 25 Americans being born will not make it to their 40th birthday." Wow. Actually impressed with the analysis backing this up. If you read the entire thread, he actually covers nearly every correlating factor I could think of. And it's pretty clearly drugs, guns, suicide, and cars. (The cardio health one doesn't seem as strong). The one that is crazy to me is the uptick in driving fatalities. Cars are an order of…

It’s not necessarily recklessness. Cars in the US have gotten much larger and heavier in recent years. A Ford F150 might be safe to drive, but it’s not safer for pedestrians and other road users than the smaller cars we used to have.

I bet phone usage is also a factor.

Keep in mind that while we had cell phones for a while, it’s only within the past 10 years that the whole “distraction economy” became a thing, so while people may have used phones to communicate back in the day, nowadays they might be using the phones even more just to attend to those distractions.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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"1 in 25 Americans being born will not make it to their 40th birthday." Wow. Actually impressed with the analysis backing this up. If you read the entire thread, he actually covers nearly every correlating factor I could think of. And it's pretty clearly drugs, guns, suicide, and cars. (The cardio health one doesn't seem as strong). The one that is crazy to me is the uptick in driving fatalities. Cars are an order of…

Cars are getting so big that people can’t drive them. An indescribably sad statistic: In the US, a parent drives over and kills their kid in the driveway every other day [1].

All the guns also cause -a bunch of— some small kids to kill their siblings every year.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52109

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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No doubt there's a real underlying problem here. The abuse of comparison doesn't help anything though. I'd guess (but it's a guess) that average american life expectancy is going down because of some demographics who have it really bad (opioid users eg). That's an acute problem that has no meaning when averaged with everything else. Quoting averages makes it seem like there's some sort of broad malaise as opposed to…

If you have read the article you know it talks about how comparisons across income percentiles yield reductions in US life expectancy across every income level. It's not an isolated issue.
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