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Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by ambyra »

tryptophan wrote: post #10
ambyra wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poles used to come to England to do lower level jobs, pick fruit, clean houses. Definitely racism and resentment here. Old school European racism sees Eastern Europeans as a lower level white, a concept I don’t think a lot of Americans are familiar with. There were white slaves back in the day too. It’s where the word comes from; the Slavic people.

No that is not where the word comes from. Slav is an English-ization of “slowanie” (what slavs call their group) which means “people of the word “ or people who can talk or something along those lines.

That’s what it means to the Slavic people themselves. To foreigners Slav was synonymous with slavery.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/slave

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by laverya »

realjhol wrote: post #2

Oh no - what if the line doesn't go up? The line. It has to go up. It has to. We'll do anything - any-thing. Please. Oh please. Just let the line go up!

The line of Per Capita Economic Output is unironically one of the most important lines in existence. One could argue that every single line that's better than it is also harder to measure.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by realjhol »

laverya wrote: post #12
realjhol wrote: post #2

Oh no - what if the line doesn't go up? The line. It has to go up. It has to. We'll do anything - any-thing. Please. Oh please. Just let the line go up!

The line of Per Capita Economic Output is unironically one of the most important lines in existence. One could argue that every single line that's better than it is also harder to measure.

We have traded away everything that once made Britain a unique and wonderful place all in a desperate bid to make the line go up.

The line is as high as it has ever been and yet the future of the British people has never looked more bleak.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by bennysonething »

realjhol wrote: post #13
laverya wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The line of Per Capita Economic Output is unironically one of the most important lines in existence. One could argue that every single line that's better than it is also harder to measure.

We have traded away everything that once made Britain a unique and wonderful place all in a desperate bid to make the line go up. The line is as high as it has ever been and yet the future of the British people has never looked more bleak.

What have we traded away?

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by ducknalddon »

Stevvo wrote: post #8

Labour campaigned and voted against Brexit shouting this would happen. "Project Fear" as it was called. But now they pretend like Brexit has nothing to do with it... it's just the torries fault apparently.

The Labour leader at the time of the referendum was luke warm about remaining at best. So much so I doubt he voted to remain despite what he said. He had a long history of criticism of the EU.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by cuteboy19 »

bennysonething wrote: post #14
realjhol wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have traded away everything that once made Britain a unique and wonderful place all in a desperate bid to make the line go up. The line is as high as it has ever been and yet the future of the British people has never looked more bleak.

What have we traded away?

The Empire of course

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by realjhol »

bennysonething wrote: post #14
realjhol wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have traded away everything that once made Britain a unique and wonderful place all in a desperate bid to make the line go up. The line is as high as it has ever been and yet the future of the British people has never looked more bleak.

What have we traded away?

Well take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4u17XAF_A

Look at the way these people lived. The way the dressed. The way the carried themselves. The culture. The customs. The traditions.

It was a thriving high-trust society.

The line has gone up orders of magnitude in the past 100 years, but are the people thriving? Is their nation something to be proud of? Do they have any herritage left to pass on to their children? Is there any optimism in the future we have chosen?

I don't think so.

Can we ever return to the past? - no, but the future we have chosen is a bad one.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by pfannkuchen »

tryptophan wrote: post #10
ambyra wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poles used to come to England to do lower level jobs, pick fruit, clean houses. Definitely racism and resentment here. Old school European racism sees Eastern Europeans as a lower level white, a concept I don’t think a lot of Americans are familiar with. There were white slaves back in the day too. It’s where the word comes from; the Slavic people.

No that is not where the word comes from. Slav is an English-ization of “slowanie” (what slavs call their group) which means “people of the word “ or people who can talk or something along those lines.

I believe the claim is that the word “slave” is derived from the word “slav”, not the other way around.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by sw104 »

realjhol wrote: post #17
bennysonething wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What have we traded away?

Well take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4u17XAF_A Look at the way these people lived. The way the dressed. The way the carried themselves. The culture. The customs. The traditions. It was a thriving high-trust society. The line has gone up orders of magnitude in the past 100 years, but are the people thriving? Is their nation something to be proud of? Do they have any herritage left to pass on to their ch…

It always saddens me to see videos like that.

By contrast, the Britain (or the cities and towns around where I live) of today simply looks like everybody has just given up.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by pfannkuchen »

wcerfgba wrote: post #4

Does it matter if Poland overtakes Britain, if both our populations are able to survive and prosper? The phrasing has a racist and geopolitical element to it, which superceeds the issues around UK government's lack of investment in R&D and destruction of the welfare state. This is not a zero sum game.

Well, it would be quite noteworthy from a historical perspective. Has Poland ever been ahead of Britain economically in the past 1000 years? Poland periodically gets chopped up by its neighbors, WW2 was the 4th time the same thing happened and also I believe Poland was significantly more destroyed than Britain during WW2. They are fairly disadvantaged geographically, no moat to speak of. Their economy suffered under communism until around 30 years ago. I don’t think any racism is required to be surprised at the prospect of Poland overtaking Britain economically.
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