It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
Then why does "Google" get tax benefits and not individuals?
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#12Even so, the principle of proportionality demands that the remedy fit the wrong, and the Court would like to see the state of play of the evidence at the end of fact discovery. At that time, plaintiffs will be better positioned to tell the Court what might have been lost in the Chat communications.
No sanctions for now.
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#13It's worth it b/c corporations only get penalized with measly fines
I’ve often thought that when a company, especially one as big as Alphabet/Google, gets fined, it’s simply seen as an operating cost and not as a motivator to do better.
So do the execs at google. And what is "better" anyway? Morality won't pay the bills.. Engineering society to do whatever it is you want society to do is good business however.
You'd hope this is where government and its legislative arm would step in to speak up for the 'citizens' but in fact, government is just the other wing of the same bird.
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#14It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
But when things go right, Google reaps most of the benefits, individuals just get a small piece of the pie. But when things go wrong, you want to blame the individuals instead of the group?
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#15> The Court has repeatedly asked Google why it never mentioned Chat until the issue became a substantial problem. It has not provided an explanation, which is worrisome, especially in light of its unlimited access to accomplished legal counsel, and its long experience with the duty of evidence preservation.
courts never stray "outside the case" but I wish they had said "...and google's long experience saving every scrap of information about everybody on the planet they can find, so weird they would delete this information"
ianal, but i think when a court finds you have deleted evidence, that the information deleted is assumed to be evidence against you. It's not the direct sanction against this behavior that is the worst part, but whatever the case is about going against you.
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#16It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
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More accurately, it's not the gun, it's the people weilding/operating it...
Except corporations are magical things that shield you from consequences of doing illegal things apparently, so nope, Google did it.
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#17It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
But when things go right, Google reaps most of the benefits, individuals just get a small piece of the pie. But when things go wrong, you want to blame the individuals instead of the group?
It's the American way.
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#18It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
It is Google and inside Google some specific individuals. Corporations are part of the society and their capital is its representation.
Corporations have to be liable and whoever takes benefits has to take this.
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#19It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
A few bad apples. A few bad cops. A few bad prison guards.
Everyone is guilty of something. So is no one guilty of anything?
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#20It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.
It is Google and inside Google some specific individuals. Corporations are part of the society and their capital is its representation. Corporations have to be liable and whoever takes benefits has to take this.
Yeah, side note we need corporate death penalty