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Re: I Wasn't Paid

#11

Post by fredleblanc »

I agree with others on the legal view, but also, to me this site just focuses on sour grapes. As a result, I can't see anything positive of helpful coming out of it. I'm not going to search a blog each time I get a client to see if they've been written about here. And aside from that, this site will only ever tell one-side of the case.

What if the developer did really poor work, missed every deadline by weeks, or the client still says there's work to be done before being paid? All this site shows is angry developers complaining about less-than-ideal clients. For me, that's the kind of talk you have over beers at a bar — you say your piece and then you move on — not something you permanently record into a collection on the web.

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#12

Post by [deleted] »

rglover wrote: post #6

Not the best route to handle this. Make sure you have a decent lawyer on hand (and a good contrct) when dealing with delinquent clients. Something like this will guarantee that you'll never get paid.

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Re: I Wasn't Paid

#13

Post by derefr »

rglover wrote: post #6

Not the best route to handle this. Make sure you have a decent lawyer on hand (and a good contrct) when dealing with delinquent clients. Something like this will guarantee that you'll never get paid.

> Something like this will guarantee that you'll never get paid.

I do believe that if you're at this point, you already believe that you'll never get paid. Otherwise you'd be saying "I wasn't paid yet."

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#14

Post by ljf »

What if this happens:

I work with a difficult dev/designer for a couple of months trying to bootstap a product. In the end it's not working, we agree to go our own ways, but I keep the name of the product. For what ever reason they get shitty with me, and a month or two down the line when I'm working with someone else they post about me on 'iwasntpaid' - not just once, loads of times - they know a lot about me so they can make it look like a string of unhappy dev/designers are annoyed and I can never be sure who it was posting this.

Would the site owner let me/help me remove these? Will they be asking for proof? If not I can see them getting in some interesting legal battles pretty quickly.

I think something like: http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/ is great - but it is totally open and honest - you state who you are and why you feel you've been ripped off.

This anonymous sniping isn't going to help anyone. If someone rips you off write a blog post about it, tell people you work with, or better yet talk to the offending party in person.

This feels like bitching-meets-4chan. At least http://www.grouphug.us tries to keep both sides anonymous.

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#15

Post by gk1 »

akinsgre wrote: post #5
jeremymcanally wrote: post #3

While I sometimes wish something like this existed, it seems ripe for abuse and/or open to some sort of libel law violation should it get out of control.

I think they should allow for rebuttals; like Amazon does with it's feedback. There are always two sides to a story.

Even with rebuttals, the very name of the website suggests that the employer is in the wrong.

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#16

Post by stroboskop »

Anonymous accusations, no verification and guaranteed reputational damage to those accused: This is a bad idea.

If you have legal claims, press charges instead of going down this road.

Edit: the first post, an anonymous accusation (by the site's creator?), disappeared shortly after the site showed up on HN. Also, now suddenly submittals are subject to review (by whom?).

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#17

Post by derefr »

fredleblanc wrote: post #11

I agree with others on the legal view, but also, to me this site just focuses on sour grapes. As a result, I can't see anything positive of helpful coming out of it. I'm not going to search a blog each time I get a client to see if they've been written about here. And aside from that, this site will only ever tell one-side of the case. What if the developer did really poor work, missed every deadline by weeks, or the…

> What if the developer did really poor work, missed every deadline by weeks, or the client still says there's work to be done before being paid?

Then make a place for that kind of post too. Perhaps even create an index that correlates the two accounts, so that people can see both sides of each story, and weigh the evidence for themselves.

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#18

Post by ghc »

rglover wrote: post #6

Not the best route to handle this. Make sure you have a decent lawyer on hand (and a good contrct) when dealing with delinquent clients. Something like this will guarantee that you'll never get paid.

Very true. I've been in a similar situation with a lot of money not being paid, and the client didn't care about their reputation being damaged. What they did care about was my lawyer.

Re: I Wasn't Paid

#19

Post by napierzaza »

Nice idea in theory. But ultimately I don't think it will end very good. There are certainly unscrupulous people out there, even contractors. So I wouldn't be surprised if some false or grey claims end up on the site. I don't want to predict possible legal action. But I predict possible legal action.

Re: I Wasn't Paid

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Post by gk1 »

ljf wrote: post #14

What if this happens: I work with a difficult dev/designer for a couple of months trying to bootstap a product. In the end it's not working, we agree to go our own ways, but I keep the name of the product. For what ever reason they get shitty with me, and a month or two down the line when I'm working with someone else they post about me on 'iwasntpaid' - not just once, loads of times - they know a lot about me so the…

FYI: http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3 leads to a giant ad for some Canadian pill site.
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