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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder, do they sell retail licence or re-sell OEM licence at retail price? Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone really buys Windows at retail prices. Enterprise (subscription) and OEM costs are much lower, and for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks.

> for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks. Is it legal? If it's not, isn't it easier to just use crack? E.g. pirate KMS server.

Gray market

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#12
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Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

So if I buy a computer with Win 11 then I can claim €259 back as long as I wrote it and install Linux? Isn't that how things worked before with Windows-tax automatically applied to all retail computers in major chain stores?

That clearly won't work, as one could get free computers ... but what is the situation in getting reimbursements of Windows-tax?

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I hope it's possible to fit a pointing stick (TrackPoint) keyboard within that 3.7mm, and that someone first- or third-party makes one. I'm keen to try replacing my ThinkPad with a Framework as soon as that's available, but not before.

Years using the trackpoint gave me carpal tunnel. Try not to use it exclusively.

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If only they would make a laptop with an AMD processor, no discrete graphics + someone makes a decent keyboard with a trackpoint for it, I'd immediately buy 2, I don't care about the price. It's also likely that I'd be able to convince my employer to switch from thinkpads to this. Btw, it's ironic that the much cheaper T series Thinkpads work much better with Linux and are much more reliable than the X1 series.

Intel processors of this generation are just not energy effiecient and run too hot.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder, do they sell retail licence or re-sell OEM licence at retail price? Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone really buys Windows at retail prices. Enterprise (subscription) and OEM costs are much lower, and for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks.

> for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks. Is it legal? If it's not, isn't it easier to just use crack? E.g. pirate KMS server.

It is not legal, but the advantage is that you don't have to deal with shady software like that pirate KMS server. Even though it is a breach of contract because it is not how these licences are supposed to be used, it is still recognized as genuine by Microsoft, so you get all the updates, etc...

You may get your license revoked it the seller get caught and as a result, you may need to get a new one. As an individual, you are extremely unlikely to get into more trouble (same thing as with cracked software), but I wouldn't use these licenses as a business.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #13
post #8

I hope it's possible to fit a pointing stick (TrackPoint) keyboard within that 3.7mm, and that someone first- or third-party makes one. I'm keen to try replacing my ThinkPad with a Framework as soon as that's available, but not before.

Years using the trackpoint gave me carpal tunnel. Try not to use it exclusively.

How many years exactly? I am at almost 9 years of use and I have not felt the slightest hint of any problem (for reference I have in the past suffered from carpal tunnel related issues so I know what it feels like).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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If only they would make a laptop with an AMD processor, no discrete graphics + someone makes a decent keyboard with a trackpoint for it, I'd immediately buy 2, I don't care about the price. It's also likely that I'd be able to convince my employer to switch from thinkpads to this. Btw, it's ironic that the much cheaper T series Thinkpads work much better with Linux and are much more reliable than the X1 series. Intel…

https://frame.work/

> now available with AMD Ryzen 7040

Still only preorder, but you can buy it with AMD now.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads.

The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

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