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Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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Too little too late, and even the wrong focus topic to survive as a company. Google is done. No one cares anymore what google does, its either inferior to alternatives and/or on the graveyard soon anyways. Time to move on.

these takes are so absolutely absurd imho they invalidate the authors opinion.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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Bard is a better search engine. A really good one at that. But it is the same old thing - only much better.

It lacks the spirit, sparkle, the pizzaz and surprising "intelligence" of ChatGPT.

The service, if released before ChatGPT, would not have made the splash ChatGPT did.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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post #8

Bard is not an answer to ChatGPT. Bard is similar to Bing Chat. You can ask recent questions, and it will give you answers based on search results.

What distinction are you drawing between ChatGPT and Bing?

That's not what Google says. Google describes it like ChatGPT, plus some meaningless fluff. The only thing. It says about "answers" is that they are wrong.

""" Meet Bard: your creative and helpful collaborator, here to supercharge your imagination, boost your productivity, and bring your ideas to life.

Bard is an experiment and may give inaccurate or inappropriate responses. """

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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I don't think Google will win this race, not because they lack the technical expertise, but because they are too cheap. This is so telling:

"We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback"

They are richer than Croesus, that is no reason for them to hold back and get stomped on because they field an inferior product. Like, being backed by an immensely profitable corporation should be an advantage for them, but now it looks like they are so afraid of eroding those profits that they are hampered instead.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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Google's mistake in my opinion isn't really Bard, but rather that when they came up with such things like PaLm, or llambda, or whatever is next, that they're not immediately put to the test with public scrutiny. I get that they don't want the reputational risk, but they already have subsidiaries such as DeepMind that they could release it under.

Google should be more proactive in getting public feedback from its research and productizing as soon as possible.

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going back to Bard - I think Google is better off making Bard fast and properly setting the expectation that it can't do everything, and then slowly scaling up its abilities as it becomes better understood on how to use fewer parameters better.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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I don't think Google will win this race, not because they lack the technical expertise, but because they are too cheap. This is so telling: "We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback" They are richer than Croesus, that is no reason for them to hold back an…

Indeed. I asked Bard why it wasn't as chatty at Bing or chatgpt and this was the response.

> I am still under development, and I am not as chatty as ChatGPT or Bing Chat because I have not been trained on as much data. I am also not as good at understanding and responding to complex questions. However, I am learning and improving every day, and I will become more chatty over time.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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post #5

I've been using ChatGPT a lot for various tasks and found the results very helpful. There are often errors but errors that I would make. With non programming tasks it can sometimes be word association and misstate the concept but it's almost always helpful and again the mistakes are reasonable. When I asked Bard to list the months in alphabetical order, it failed to do so. I saw this on a tweet but confirmed that it…

That's pretty surprising it can't do the months in alphabetical order. I just tried with LLaMA 30B. This is running on my MacBook Air with llama.cpp, quantized to 4 bits, and is a "raw" model (not alpaca / instruction tuned at all). Obviously some models will be better at some things (and will have different outputs given the same inputs) and worse at other, but you'd think Bard would be able to do that pretty simple task.

> Transcript of a dialog, where the User interacts with an Assistant named Bob. Bob is helpful, kind, honest, good at writing, and never fails to answer the User's requests immediately and with precision.

User: Hello, Bob.

Bob: Hello. How may I help you today?

User: Please tell me the largest city in Europe.

Bob: Sure. The largest city in Europe is Moscow, the capital of Russia.

User:Can you list all the months in alphabetical order?

Bob: Yes. January February March April May June July August September October November December

edit Sorry for this useless post...months are in order, not alphabetical order.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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I don't think Google will win this race, not because they lack the technical expertise, but because they are too cheap. This is so telling: "We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback" They are richer than Croesus, that is no reason for them to hold back an…

It’s either that, or they’re secretly incompetent and can’t compete with openai. They are behind

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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post #5

I've been using ChatGPT a lot for various tasks and found the results very helpful. There are often errors but errors that I would make. With non programming tasks it can sometimes be word association and misstate the concept but it's almost always helpful and again the mistakes are reasonable. When I asked Bard to list the months in alphabetical order, it failed to do so. I saw this on a tweet but confirmed that it…

That's pretty surprising it can't do the months in alphabetical order. I just tried with LLaMA 30B. This is running on my MacBook Air with llama.cpp, quantized to 4 bits, and is a "raw" model (not alpaca / instruction tuned at all). Obviously some models will be better at some things (and will have different outputs given the same inputs) and worse at other, but you'd think Bard would be able to do that pretty simple…

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