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Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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Seems like the person who wrote the blog works in "classical" deep learning. So do I, so here's the fairest take I can come up with: "AI" has for recent memory been a marketing term anyway. Deep learning and variations have had a good run at being what people mean when they refer to AI, probably overweighting towards big convolution based computer vision models. Now, "AI" in people's minds means generative models. Th…

Spot on. I work with deep learning systems in industrial control, and generative models are simply ill-suited for this sort of work. Wrong tool for the job.

But neither the traditional nor generative models are "AI" in the sense that normal people think when they hear "AI".

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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There's about ~10% point improvement left (i.e, from 80% to 90%) before it starts to stagnate. We've seen the same with predictive models benchmarked on ImageNet et. al.

There's no way there's only 10% left to improve in those models. New versions are coming out regularly that are clearly improved. Midjourney v5 and GPT-4 were just released showing huge improvements, for example.

Not only that, but the innovation around this tech is also just getting started. It's immediately applicable for business use. The classical techniques still have their uses, of course.

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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"So has generative AI been overhyped? Not exactly. Having generative models capable of delivering value is an exciting development. For the first time, people can interact with AI systems that don’t just automate but create an activity of which only humans were previously capable."

Good answer but I feel that most users/people do not understand the difference between generative and predictive machine learning and that will probably cause unpredictable failures and false flags. So yes it has been overhyped in my opinion

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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I m not sure it's overrated, but the concerns are very real.

We love the model because it speaks our language as if it's "one of us", but this may be deceiving, and the complete lack of model for truth is disturbing. Making silly poems is fun but the real uses are in medicine and biology, fields that are so complex that they are probably impenetrable to the human mind. Can Reinforcement learning alone create a model for the truth? The Transformer does not seem to have one, it only works with syntax and referencing. How much % of truthfulness can we achieve, and is it good enough for scientific applications? If a blocker is found in the interface between the model and reality, it will be a huge disappointment

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's about ~10% point improvement left (i.e, from 80% to 90%) before it starts to stagnate. We've seen the same with predictive models benchmarked on ImageNet et. al.

By stagnate, you mean beating humankind at the task, right? :)

It's funny to me we look at GPT4 scoring high on all these tests and think it's worth anything when educators and a lot of us here have been lamenting the standardized tests since Bush made it a preeminent feature of our country's education system. They are not a good measure of intelligence. They measure how well you can take a test.

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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Seems like the person who wrote the blog works in "classical" deep learning. So do I, so here's the fairest take I can come up with: "AI" has for recent memory been a marketing term anyway. Deep learning and variations have had a good run at being what people mean when they refer to AI, probably overweighting towards big convolution based computer vision models. Now, "AI" in people's minds means generative models. Th…

AI has been marketing term since the day it was coined. It means literally nothing, which means it can mean anything.

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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>investors have become only interested in companies building generative AI, relegating those working on predictive models to “old school” AI. If that is the definition of old school AI, I wonder how symbolic AI should be named.

how about "useless with no successes of note" AI?

Re: Generative AI is overrated, long live old-school AI

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When the generative model is autoregressive (autocomplete), it can easily be used as a predictor. All of the state of the art language models are tested against multiple choice exams and other types of prediction tasks. In fact, it's how they are trained...masking - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/mpnet-combines... For example: "Multiple-choice questions in 57 subjects (professional & academic)" - https…

For GPT4: "Pricing is $0.03 per 1,000 “prompt” tokens (about 750 words) and $0.06 per 1,000 “completion” tokens (again, about 750 words)."

Meanwhile, there are off-shelf models that you can train very efficiently, on relevant data, privately, and you can run these on your own infrastructure.

Yes, GPT4 is probably great at all the benchmark tasks, but models have been great at all the open benchmark tasks for a long time. That's why they have to keep making harder tasks.

Depending on what you actually want to do with LMs, GPT4 might lose to a BERTish model in a cost-benefit analysis--especially given that (in my experience), the hard part of ML is still getting data/QA/infrastructure aligned with whatever it is you want to do with the ML. (At least at larger companies, maybe it's different at startups.)

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