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The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

#11
Can someone shine some light on[1][2]?

If true, it would seem that some of this panic would have been engineered in order to save VC capital at the expense of the rest of us?

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edit: We really need an analysis of @Jason and @DavidSacks w.r.t [1][2]. They were touting Doomsday on their AllInPodcast[3] but with [1][2] I'm starting to wonder...

[1]: https://twitter.com/innoc_bystander/status/16347730533046108...

[2]: https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1634925785550319616

[3]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CEee7dAk25c

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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>Banks are, at their core, facilitators: depositors lend their money to a bank, for which they are paid interest, and banks lend that money out, again for interest.

That's not why I have a bank account. It's how you avoid paying fees to get checks cashed. If you want interest, you put it in a savings account, or a CD, also in a bank. The only safe alternative is savings bonds.

If you want to gamble the money, then you invest in stocks, bonds, etc.

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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post #2

>The federal government’s action is, in my estimation, the right thing to do for this moment in time. There will, though, be long-term consequences for fundamentally changing the nature of a bank: remember, depositors are a bank’s creditors, who are compensated for lending money to the bank; if there is no risk in lending that money, why should depositors make anything? Banks, meanwhile, are now motivated to pursue e…

> This is clearly the best ideal. But that's not how it works!

The “systemic risk” exceptions that are in the legislation and announcements over the weekend mean this is exactly how it works.

My guess is that this will be continued - perhaps even publicly formalized - or small banks will cease to exist very quickly in favour of those that are too big to fail.

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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>Banks are, at their core, facilitators: depositors lend their money to a bank, for which they are paid interest, and banks lend that money out, again for interest. That's not why I have a bank account. It's how you avoid paying fees to get checks cashed. If you want interest, you put it in a savings account, or a CD, also in a bank. The only safe alternative is savings bonds. If you want to gamble the money, then yo…

Those free services are the "interest" you receive in return for your deposits.

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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post #2

>The federal government’s action is, in my estimation, the right thing to do for this moment in time. There will, though, be long-term consequences for fundamentally changing the nature of a bank: remember, depositors are a bank’s creditors, who are compensated for lending money to the bank; if there is no risk in lending that money, why should depositors make anything? Banks, meanwhile, are now motivated to pursue e…

>But that's not how it works!

I would imagine the people advocating for a 'bailout' (using the most generous possible definition here) want this to become how it works.

Like how in Germany the government guarantees every German bank balance.

I have enough problems, I don't want to have to worry that my bank balance will disappear unless I spread it around in order to abuse a technicality.

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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post #2

>The federal government’s action is, in my estimation, the right thing to do for this moment in time. There will, though, be long-term consequences for fundamentally changing the nature of a bank: remember, depositors are a bank’s creditors, who are compensated for lending money to the bank; if there is no risk in lending that money, why should depositors make anything? Banks, meanwhile, are now motivated to pursue e…

> This is clearly the best ideal. But that's not how it works! And FDIC limits were real but ignored in this case!

The FDIC limit is basically useless at this level. 250k for SVB given their clientele really seems futile.

So I'm not sure even discussing it would serve much value. What I fund more interesting was the UK branch of SVB was actually higher in assets than liabilities and was making profit. It's just so strange to me still how this seems to have happened so quickly and seemingly, made worse by some people just getting worried.

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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post #2

>The federal government’s action is, in my estimation, the right thing to do for this moment in time. There will, though, be long-term consequences for fundamentally changing the nature of a bank: remember, depositors are a bank’s creditors, who are compensated for lending money to the bank; if there is no risk in lending that money, why should depositors make anything? Banks, meanwhile, are now motivated to pursue e…

There is something called the risk-free rate. It used to be 0, but not any more.

Re: The End of Silicon Valley (Bank)

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post #2

>The federal government’s action is, in my estimation, the right thing to do for this moment in time. There will, though, be long-term consequences for fundamentally changing the nature of a bank: remember, depositors are a bank’s creditors, who are compensated for lending money to the bank; if there is no risk in lending that money, why should depositors make anything? Banks, meanwhile, are now motivated to pursue e…

>But that's not how it works! I would imagine the people advocating for a 'bailout' (using the most generous possible definition here) want this to become how it works. Like how in Germany the government guarantees every German bank balance. I have enough problems, I don't want to have to worry that my bank balance will disappear unless I spread it around in order to abuse a technicality.

Spreading deposits around is not abusing a technicality. The limit incentivizes diversifying deposits because it reduces the risk of a single bank. Retail banks benefit immensely from the fact that much of their deposit base is smaller accounts that are less correlated. A bank handling only large deposits from a small number of highly correlated depositors is exactly what FDIC caps ought to prevent.
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