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Re: How to start a rocket engine

#12

There's lots of information here on the sequence of operations followed in starting the F1 motors of the Saturn V first stage: https://home.kpn.nl/panhu001/Saturn_V/Saturn_V_info/F-1_engi...

Related video: How To Start The Massive F-1 Rocket Engine from Scott Manley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cldgl9IIyY

Re: How to start a rocket engine

#13

Space shuttle main engines (RS-25) had a very complicated startup process, deviations from this could cause all sorts of different things to fail catastrophically. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph240/nguyen1/docs/SS... Slide 94 (pdf page 100)

All the imperial units in this PDF hurt my head. I'm an American, so I'm used to them, but seeing them in the context of precision aerospace hardware is so jarring. As a student it seemed like math re: chemistry and physics was so much easier (read: less error-prone) with metric units than with imperial. Mars Climate Orbiter indeed.

Re: How to start a rocket engine

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I could watch stuff like this all day. Tim's stuff is so great. Easy to be jealous of, since being YouTuber seems easy, but to make quality content, it really can't be. And then he's going around the moon, it's really mind blowing to see the success he's had. His interviews with Musk are a treasure trove as well, whatever you think of Musk.

He, like most big Youtubers, probably have a large crew of people working with them. The article was written by Trevor Sesnic, the video was likely edited by others, I don't know if he did the graphics, but Tim still did a lot (and arguably did the most fun stuff). Smaller Youtubers need to do all of that, and from what I've heard editing is the absolute worst given how time consuming it is. Many Youtubers struggle w…

From the about page: > In 2019 the team grew from just Tim to a small army of incredible helpers who make this website amazing, the videos higher quality, and help foster a fun and positive online community.

So the 2017-2019 period where the channel took off was all done by him solo, apparently.

Re: How to start a rocket engine

#15

Space shuttle main engines (RS-25) had a very complicated startup process, deviations from this could cause all sorts of different things to fail catastrophically. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph240/nguyen1/docs/SS... Slide 94 (pdf page 100)

All the imperial units in this PDF hurt my head. I'm an American, so I'm used to them, but seeing them in the context of precision aerospace hardware is so jarring. As a student it seemed like math re: chemistry and physics was so much easier (read: less error-prone) with metric units than with imperial. Mars Climate Orbiter indeed.

I mean, sure, converting grams to kilograms is easier (for a human) than converting ounces to pounds, but how often do we have to do that in our heads? Computers, on the other hand, do not care (and they "prefer" the binary system anyway).

Re: How to start a rocket engine

#16
Starting the engine(s) even in a propeller-driven airplane used to be a big deal, too. Hell, I'm sure that even starting a car engine back in the day was a much more complex affair (than simply pushing a button like it is today).

Re: How to start a rocket engine

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I could watch stuff like this all day. Tim's stuff is so great. Easy to be jealous of, since being YouTuber seems easy, but to make quality content, it really can't be. And then he's going around the moon, it's really mind blowing to see the success he's had. His interviews with Musk are a treasure trove as well, whatever you think of Musk.

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Re: How to start a rocket engine

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post #16

Starting the engine(s) even in a propeller-driven airplane used to be a big deal, too. Hell, I'm sure that even starting a car engine back in the day was a much more complex affair (than simply pushing a button like it is today).

Yes, early cars had to be started with a crank handle that stuck out of the front of the grill, similar to how early propeller engines had to be hand-spun to get going. Apparently if you didn't crank it quite hard enough the handle could snap back at you rather violently, one of my great-grandmothers had her arm broken this way.

Re: How to start a rocket engine

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Space shuttle main engines (RS-25) had a very complicated startup process, deviations from this could cause all sorts of different things to fail catastrophically. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph240/nguyen1/docs/SS... Slide 94 (pdf page 100)

All the imperial units in this PDF hurt my head. I'm an American, so I'm used to them, but seeing them in the context of precision aerospace hardware is so jarring. As a student it seemed like math re: chemistry and physics was so much easier (read: less error-prone) with metric units than with imperial. Mars Climate Orbiter indeed.

The biggest lessons learned on the Mars Climate Orbiter wasn't exactly that everything should be metric. It was the unit conversion is dangerous and needs to be handled very carefully. Just saying everything will be metric doesn't avoid unit conversion. You might have one thing measuring fuel burn rate in grams/second and another in kg/second. That conversion can still lead to issues if not handled correctly. In the context of the space shuttle it was all designed in imperial units starting in the 70s so it would be very risky to convert everything to metric.

Re: How to start a rocket engine

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post #16

Starting the engine(s) even in a propeller-driven airplane used to be a big deal, too. Hell, I'm sure that even starting a car engine back in the day was a much more complex affair (than simply pushing a button like it is today).

Those things really are fundamentally easier, which is why it became routine and something every day people could operate day in day out pretty quickly. Rocket engines are still very hard to do 70 years later.
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