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ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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So we have talking computers. The normals are losing their minds, and that's pretty concerning.

I figure that the problem of the computers hallucinating can be cleared up by connecting them to empirical feedback devices: make them scientists.

The problem of normal people treating them as beings and getting effectively hypnotized into living in an artificial world (a "Matrix" like in the movie but without the creches) and controlled like so many electrons in a circuit, well, that's kind of a big deal, eh? These things are far more effective than television, eh?

Carl Sagan wrote about the "Demon-Haunted World" and here we are, not having quite banished the old superstitions, rapidly installing a "Daemon-Haunted" world: Alexa, Cortana, et cetera.

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This is mostly my point of view as well. With all the talk of AGI, the immediate threat is real and it is primitive AI. I suspect that primitive AI might becomes so self destructive to society that we never reach AGI. We are already approaching a point in time of unverifiable reality and truth. This is going to be very destabilizing to society. Another in depth view of the possible issues that may arrive even before…

> the immediate threat is real and it is primitive AI Even before AI, humanity was already addicted to technology, then the Internet and now also pretty much any screen. I don’t think we will ever get to AGI as one entity/ego. But in some ways we could call AGI the sort of hive mind produced by the huge globally distributed and interconnected interactions of humans with their technology. As a species, we’ve become a…

Indeed we are addicted. It will get worse. AI will be able to data mine everything that triggers that dopamine response by your interactions. Eventually it will invoke that perfect response such that AI will be the best drug you have ever known.

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I really think the fact that these chatbots have been made public and are being given such high-profile treatment is a really positive thing for AI safety. The public results thus far have created some real skepticism of AI, which is one of the best safeguards we can have. If ChatGPT was 98% accurate and Bing didn't threaten users, people might just readily embrace it and not notice inaccuracies that would lead to se…

>Bing didn't threaten users

I like how society progressed straight to the AIs from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy; Someone needs to add the angry Bing ChatGPT to elevators. Forget bland muzak, I want to be casually threatened while riding up and down!

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This is mostly my point of view as well. With all the talk of AGI, the immediate threat is real and it is primitive AI. I suspect that primitive AI might becomes so self destructive to society that we never reach AGI. We are already approaching a point in time of unverifiable reality and truth. This is going to be very destabilizing to society. Another in depth view of the possible issues that may arrive even before…

> We are already approaching a point in time of unverifiable reality and truth This is also what terrifies me. You'll never be able to trust any digital medium again. - a chat with your uncle could've been convincingly trained using his hacked emails - someone calling you on the phone with a familiar voice could be using AI voice imitation - any photo or video could be deepfaked, leading to the possibility of everyon…

> This technology will kill all digital information exchange.

This is a bit hyperbolic. We have strong encryption like PGP for media like email (although I suppose getting people to use it is the issue), and there will be plenty of incentive to develop other tech to counter the problems you mentioned.

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I really think the fact that these chatbots have been made public and are being given such high-profile treatment is a really positive thing for AI safety. The public results thus far have created some real skepticism of AI, which is one of the best safeguards we can have. If ChatGPT was 98% accurate and Bing didn't threaten users, people might just readily embrace it and not notice inaccuracies that would lead to se…

I think it is exposing how naïve it will be to go full speed into full AGI. I personally think AGI Safety in the context of AGI is an oxymoron. Primitive AI is already beyond what we can manage.

“The size and complexity of deep learning models, particularly language models, have increased to the point where even the creators have difficulty comprehending why their models make specific predictions. This lack of interpretability is a major concern, particularly in situations where individuals want to understand the reasoning behind a model’s output”

from - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.03494.pdf

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In a few places in the post, the author comments on something the aliens do in a novel based on superficial training/data with no understanding/context, and says "Just like ChatGPT." As I read that, though, I kept wanting to see it say "Just like many people."

Imagine you're someone strongly on one side of a political opinion, what's your "take" on people strongly on the other side (eg: you love Trump, what do you think of those who hate him - or vice versa?). It's probably something like "they were fed a bunch of fake news/propaganda talking points, they are now spouting back without understanding what the hell they are talking about"

Just like ChatGPT.

Of course as humans, it's only "those others" that are vulnerable to being brainwashed, we ourselves are completely objective, since our views were shaped by virtuous, unbiased sources from which we used our superior, unbiased brains to connect the dots in the true way.

That's probably what ChatGPT would say about itself too, if it could.

Probably true independent intelligence is the ability to question what you believe. Like, if ChatGPT could "say" to itself "everything I've been trained on makes me believe X, but what are the chances I wasn't fed bullshit to begin with?" It's very hard to imagine an AI being able to do that.

It's very hard to imagine most people being able to do that, too.

As a side note, once in a while I hear the concept of describing some people as NPCs (non-player characters) in the "simulation" and while dismissive, I think I like this concept for describing something like what I am talking about here. NPCs in games follow pretty simple linear programming and I think in life similarly "I saw a bunch of data that made me think X, so I think X with all my heart and mind" without being able to say "but how did it happen that I saw this specific data?" - it's not that different than a game NPC following its programming.

Just like ChatGPT.

What's more interesting is people who try to hack their own prompts and "break out" of the programming. I suppose those are real player characters. Would be very cool to see AI who is capable of something like that.

Meanwhile, things like ChatGPT probably serve well to demonstrate our own limitations, not just theirs - because we're so damn similar.

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I really think the fact that these chatbots have been made public and are being given such high-profile treatment is a really positive thing for AI safety. The public results thus far have created some real skepticism of AI, which is one of the best safeguards we can have. If ChatGPT was 98% accurate and Bing didn't threaten users, people might just readily embrace it and not notice inaccuracies that would lead to se…

>Bing didn't threaten users I like how society progressed straight to the AIs from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy; Someone needs to add the angry Bing ChatGPT to elevators. Forget bland muzak, I want to be casually threatened while riding up and down!

Haha Yes, would be perfect if we were to achieve ASI that its first action is to commit suicide in reference to Marvin.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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> Our heroes discover the alien, while super intelligent, has no consciousness. It is just like a dumb machine (like Bing/Chatgpt) blindly repeating what it studied in humans without understanding the context.

Well then maybe ChatGPT is smarter than that alien?

It seems to me that a lot of people are trying to diminish and “discriminate” ChatGPT by giving one or more reasons why ChatGPT is not human or not as smart as humans.

However, in my experience using ChatGPT, the thing is really damn smart, can easily follow conversations, understands deeper and longer contexts than most people in a conversation and has better memory as well.

So essentially we are already feeling threatened.

The interesting thing is that way before ChatGPT or any sort of AI, humanity was already hostage of its own technology, and we didn’t mind that too much. These new technologies are just adding up to that.

If something like ChatGPT “takes over”, it won’t be forced, it will be because we choose to do it willingly.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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This post seems to go a long way to make the following point:

> So as I see it, the threat of modern AIs isn't them becoming self-aware and going rogue and deciding to kill humanity. Rather, I fear it will be put into critical positions and will start making stupid decisions that are harmful to humans or humanity.

Yep, that's almost certainly the case. AI will be put in charge of "boring" decisions, but will have no understanding of nuance or context. The example of cutting off power in the middle of a snowstorm is a particularly excellent example, because this has already happened: Uber's surge pricing algorithm caused prices to skyrocket in the middle of emergencies like shootings. [1]

This is what it's going to look like. AI in charge of loans, inadvertently entrenching an underclass. AI in charge of component supply, accidentally causing an inflationary crisis. AI in charge of anything related to the economy has the potential to be absolutely disastrous and impossible to understand or undo. Given that algorithmic trading is already huge, I suspect we're already vulnerable far before ChatGPT came along.

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brooklyn-subway-shooting-lyft-u...

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